In the world that Clough is never in a Million years a hooker, so can “do a job” but doing a job won’t see us top 5 and OB needs to be fit all season!

I agree , get Holmes in, he is a tomorrow player, or are we contemplating playing all season with props as reserve hook er.

Well had Holmes played last night it would have reduced our chances of winning.

Don’t know if either of you went but it was a very hard physical game, harder than it looked when I rewatched it on Sky and without the four man big bench we could have come up short.

Despite Jools having been on the HKR site suggesting they hit the tackle bags this week as they missed a few tackles last night, they normally turn up when we go there and it’s a pretty close match.

So who would Jools with her magnificent coaching background leave out? Danny Houghton plays 60-80 minutes each week so Hull can put an extra impact forward on the bench

We’ve had a extended break due to weather, the same seven day turnaround as HKR then a nine day break to the Wigan game why would you change what’s worked pretty well so far? 2/2

On a short turnaround maybe but change for changes sake naw... unless Jools has someone in our team she doesn’t like...

Yes I did go last night- did you? You say you watched it- Did you spot how towards the ends of both halves he played AOB looked shattered, he fell off tackles and his passing at times was off the mark? (Unless sezer had grown two foot- who coincidently told him off at one point for it)
Aob isn’t Houghton- few are- asking a guy his size to put in 80 minutes in the middle of the field,make 50 tackles and it not affect his game by the time he’s part waY through the season isn’t realistic.
Why would I change it? Because it’s not sustainable.

and an injury to AOB with no one else having any experience there so far leaves us where?
I just think a running threat against tiring forwards would have been better than another big forward.

Well I saw myself on Sky shaking Darnells hand so guess I was...

If you had read my posts properly it’s totally obvious but if you can’t see the rest of us and think you are the only one there then that’s where Wakey get the taxi idea from.

If AOB was k*******d so was Senior even more so he could hardly run in the last ten minutes... we gonna put a winger on the bench too ?? If you were there sat where I was he was struggling to run at all it was that sort of game.

Holmes is no more a hooker than Clough he’s an average at the moment half back and with only 8 interchanges one to spell a hooker is expensive if that’s all the guy on the bench does.

Even with 12 interchanges Leeds doubled Sinfield up to save an interchange and we do have an ex really good NRL hooker as coach to get someone up to speed.

Now whilst the notion is ridiculous had we say re-signed Sean Lunt to just play 20 minutes a game an exPerienced impact hooker who could play at the level required for a short periods of time and offer an occasional start when necessary then I could see the argument.

Having said all that your ‘trolling’ on the HKR site over missed tackles about sums you up ready to argue with anyone who strays on our site but happy to stir it up on anyone else’s......

i told you at beginning of year when folk were crying when leeming went we were going with 1 hooker as are most teams these days the days of 2 hookers per team are history now

I’m not buying you honestly can’t see the difference between your hooker being knackered and a winger.

Ps-does a bit of banter with opposition fans upset you or Did you just leave your sense of humour at Salford?

Perhaps you can explain to how me going on the KR board just before we play them is trolling whilst you going on the wakey board and making the comments you did isn’t?

Yeah easy responding to a Shudds thread, a term I dislike and is incorrect, is different to trolling them over missed tackles when there was no disrespectful reference to our own team.

On the hooker thing we will agree to disagree until such time as we sign a proper back Up hooker not a championship standard half back.

I completely agree we need another hooker- have said so right from the start. But I was told by many on here that a hooker is just another half- no one said anything about a prop forward!


Why were you even on the wakey board when we arent playing them?

People need to learn how to disagree without becoming aggressive and hostile

We are all on the same side here (i hope). I agree that another hooker is desperately needed, whether Holmes is the answer or not remains to be seen, but Clough most certainly is not.

Fair enough I only saw it on TV but in all honesty i do not like the idea of going with 4 forwards on the bench, We lose a back, hooker or half or even two of them We are going to be shunting players all over the field Jon Sharpe style. I have not seen Holmes much but what i saw i didn't think he was anything like as bad as you obviously do, But that's fine we all have our views,
I remember somebody saying we were going with one Hooker this year, personally i think it's a bad mistake , There is nobody happier than me to see our forwards hold their own, I have been posting on here for years preaching that without field position you can not expect to do anything ( and i know you are aware of that ) anyone who knows anything about the game could see how Brough revelled behind Anderson's style of play.

I don't want to go back to that style, and i know plenty would if it meant we could win another Hub cap, It looks as though Woolford is thinking down those lines, but to be fair we have only played two games , he has had little chance yet and i for one am prepared to give him time, I'm just spouting my opinions and certainly not wanting to get across with anyone over them.

Lets see how things pan out, I am delighted we are playing some of the game in the opposition half but i really do think we need a backup Hooker, If Holmes is not good enough then we need to get one from somewhere else.

Dont forget everyone - at KR cowbells are banned, no enjoying yourself at the game, and remember to join in with the booing.

And you musn't complain when the 10 year olds who sneak into the back bit start swearing at you or kicking you. or you'll be accused of child abuse by the laughing adult who is supposed to be supervising them !!

I know young "Pago" is a very competent half back, he would be ok on the bench as cover for any of the back positions and hooker.

Don’t we have butterworth who is a hooker
Is he any good , don’t think he’s been given a real shot has he

Squad is out- as last week but young jordle returns for turner.
Barring any injuries in training I expect woolford will put out the same team as last week with woody switching to other centre and jordle in his 3 spot.
I hope he plays that same bench- bringing on gavet taai and Edwards with their enthusiasm puts the fear of the rugby gods into a tiring defence- esp as Kr were struggling for numbers in the forwards

young jordle ? shouldnt that be jardle as opposed to jordle

Fantastic effort in defence. Just fantastic. Kr has the lions share of possession but couldn’t break us down. First half especially we were rock solid on our goal line and some excellent individual efforts to prevent them scoring.
The wind meant the kicking game was a struggle.
Darnell Came ofF early in first half with what looked like ankle.he was wearing a support at the end.
What looked like a very nasty injury to gavet who was stretchered off after a very long delay early in the second half. Hope he’s ok.
Three away games unbeaten.
Fantastic.

i think your getting carried away jools you beat a championship team with a moderate performance but good luck anyway

Good performance from your lads, halves were very good in particular. Your goal defence won it for you but we hardly asked any questions.

Hope Gavet is ok, looked a nasty one.

Thought a couple of key moments were us defending 3 consecutive goal line sets in the first half, and then the Murphy line break in the second half that lead to the decisive 3rd try.

That wind was fun. Just crazy.

JG injury looks to have mainly precautionary, which is not how it appeared on the field.

You missed some creation at halves, though I thought your middles did better than I expected. Long season ahead still for all teams.

The new ‘attitude’ was summed up by a great defensive display and our ability to take chances when they cropped up two good ones from the backs and two strong ones from the forwards strangely enough it’s what Saints have done really well for the last few years soak up the pressure and cut loose at times to win the game.

Watching the first half from behind the play actually let me see how smart SW’s game plan was and how well carried out by his team.

Who is this Matagi fella ?? most improved player in the club so far and his strength to score his try was awesome.

The bond between Ta’ai, Edwards, Matagi and Gavet is really good and has rubbed off on others and although it’s early days we look ‘together’ and work hard for each other which is promising.

Just need a couple of dry mild days to see what the backs can do in good conditions...

Not at all- our effort to keep out KR with consecutive sets on our goal line was immense. Even when Keyes?? Broke the line and looked certain to score we got under the ball to prevent the try.
It’s all about attitude- something lacking last season. That attitude wins games - it’s won us a tight defensive game last week, and a game in poor conditions this week.
What could have been a nilling away from home if the cameras were there, ( I thought there looked to be an obstruction in krs only effort)- that’s something to get excited about for the season.
yes you're right Kr were nothing special, the fact fans were leaving with 20 minutes to go shows how disappointing they were to the fans, but you can only play what’s in front of you. Our attack was blunted by the conditions- couldn’t pass the ball far, or kick accurately and with the possession Kr had and all the advantages due to our errors in the first half our effort And attitude was key-. Losing our fullback in the first half, and another interchange in gavet and the frustration of the conditions- that game would have looked very different last year.

maybe undercooking you a little as the away team but the home performance was so inept some championship teams would have troubled us

apparently our players were pretending to be injured and cheating -what a set of weirdos