That is not a balanced argument. That is self contradiction. It is no surprise you cannot see the difference.

Do keep using



That way when you contradict yourself you can petend it was a joke.

i am not going to knock other teams when our record has not been that great until recently.

If Wakie are developing their academy and bringing more English players into the team then fair play to them.

if they have recruited a second rate overseas player then fair enough. when Korkidas and Fulton have done the job for us then i will blow the our signings are better than your signings trumpet.

when we are better than all other teams on different criteria then we can start criticising other teams.

Do tell me in our SL history when we fielded a team with 13 overseas players?

When was the last time we had 10 overseas players on our books?

This thread is not about 'our signings are better than / worse than yours'. It does touch upon bringing in unproven reserve graders. I would be appalled if the Giants did this.

I am unclear what on earth your last sentence is about. However some people may feel that a team with10 continuous years in SL can be criticised for still having 10 or so overseas players and still signing a reserve grader.

MG until recently our record vis a vis the academy was not that great as we put our resources into the first team. Now with franchising we have put a lot of money into bringing youngsters through and signing youngsters from other areas.

part of the difficulty has also been that any good players often went to bigger teams. as i understand it that has been the same problem wakefield have had. If wakefield have lost players like Ellis to Leeds and have then felt that they need to recruit overseas players to fill the gap until their youngsters are good enough then so be it. i will judge them in 3 years in the same way that we will judge them.

Additionally whilst we are quite rightly pleased with the number of British born players in our team we are not averse to dropping them to play foreigners. Lunt would not be playing if Faiumu had not gone back to NZ and one of Brown or Robbo would have been missing if we had signed another' johnny foreigner' like Drew, Fien or Carney.

I am also not going to go on about how wakefield had 10 foreigners in their team ina recent match i am sure that if Brough and sculthorpe had been available it would have been down to eight.

i am less concerned about what other teams are doing than i am compared about what my team are doing.
so i dont give a if wakey or cas have no ground or that wakey or celtic have loads of aussies in their team or whether we have sold more seasoin tickets than Bradford and therefore i do not feel the need to go bagging them at every opportunity.

At the moment the Giants are going in the right direction and i look forward to where we are in 3 years. we are going forward in our way others may be trying to to it differently. the result will be where we all are in 3 years.

then if anyone loses their franchises i will say that it is their fault for not doing A B or C but until then why have a go




as for the last sentence in my post i was referring to our away support being rather limited. You may have noticed that we get bagged a lot about this. It really p!sses me off but unfortunately is true. So when we are taking 500 to 1000 to every away game i might feel a bit more comfortanble about taking the p1ss out of other clubs

My focus is not on all the stuff you mention above.

It is on a club of 10+ continuous years in SL having 10 or so oversease players and signing a reserve grader.

I mentioned it on the VT and had 28 pages of pitiful justifications. They had their ar5es so badly kicked that a few saddos had to create a thread on the wakey forum where they could 'huddle' together.

We look to have signed a quality player and a sad little wakey fan turns up. he produces one of the most self contradictory and befuddled posts I have seen and then claims contradicting yourself is being balanced



I think their recruitment on this issue is dire and you do not. I write my own views and do not presume to tell you what to think. However you write:

"when we are better than all other teams on different criteria then we can start criticising other teams."

I will think for myself .thanks.

Fulton anyone

No ta - just eaten.

And you have the cheek to slag Wakey off for signing a quality young player, who will prove to be a very good signing by Kear.

Winterstein is unproven but your ability to see into the future is duly noted.

The differences between the two signings in terms of proven ability, first grade games and NRL winners rings is there for all to see.

Still blocks a chance for young British player to make the step up though.

And yeah I watch many academy games and spotted a couple of player who are good and some have appeared in Wakey first team and other teams.

I take it that was you on REAL RADIO just now

Yeah



God Howes could talk for England.

I can only assume you're either missing the point on purpose or are criminally dense.

Eitrher way this discussion is long since beaten to death.

They've been doing Arts & Crafts and he's been on the Pritt Stick is my guess.

Doesn't anyone use UHU anymore?

No, Hudds are just as bad as Wakey if signing FW is a bad thing. But be biased all you like. That's all you can do.

Compare the stats of the two players and you'll clearly be able to see a very big difference.

You can't get round that so you try and ignore it. But that doesn't make it go away son because that just proves the point, which again you're either too dumb to see or are pretending to ignore. To clarify one last time so that even you might understand:

(i) Signing overseas players isn't the best thing a club can do.
(ii) If a club is going to sign an overseas player who will potentially keep a British player out of the team, better to sign one of a good age with good experience and an NRL winners medal than one who hasn't played hardly any first grade and is essentially unproven.

This is basic, simple common sense. All the preaching on bias is utter hypocrisy. Are we catching on yet? Nearly there?

Hopefully it is. And if it isn't, well, tough. Simply repeating something ad nauseum and ignoring the facts doesn't make it so, it just makes you simple!

But very soon FW will be a quality player, so signing him now will be more of an advantage to Wakey!

And if you see a player will lot's of potential you would sign him if he was British, so why not once in a while get an overseas player? We do our part in bringing young British players who would not get a chance any where else and most of them have been a big success

There you go predicting the future again! You don't know that. Conjecture. Opinion, nothing more. And the opinon of someone who has shown himself not to be really worth listening to.

Wintersteins stats are very different to Fultons, aren't they. Go on, compare those stats. Those stats aren't about what apparently WILL happen very soon. Those are dead set stats. How many times has Winterstein played in a team that has won the NRL GF? How many first grade games? Go on youtube and see some video clips of Fulton, there are some belters. Strangely enough I've struggled to find anything on Winterstein.

You just don't get it, do you...

Just admit it it. You're wrong.

Not wrong no, you just don't want to admit Wakey have done nothing wrong in signing FW.

He is a player with talent and lot's of it. Fulton yeah he is good player but that is not the point. The point is he is another overseas signing, why not get a British player?

Since Kear has taken over he has signed many players who most would write off, same happening here with Frank. I am sure Kear is the best judge of player then eithier of us 2

Jesus H Corbett. Did you not see this bit:



It's about 3 posts ago FFS! In other words it would be preferable if neither club had to resort to signing an overseas player.

The point is:




Wake up. There must something wrong with you mentally if you cannot see it is preferable to sign a young player with heaps of first grade experience and an NRL winners medal in comparison to an unproven rookie.

Having had him as a 'coach' I doubt it.

But you still say FW is a bad signing when if you wake up and smell the coffee you will realise its a very good positive signing. I would much rather the club sign a young overseas player with loads of potential than some player who will be in it for the money.

Well he got us 2 wins over you and we finished above you so he is good enough for me