Whoever sanctioned both of these issues should walk.

OK SORRY IF THIS HAS ALREADY BEEN SAID FIRST OF ALL.

Ignoring the issues about Koppy, how much the players earned, being BELOW the salary cap, the issue of the picture is still completely and utterly wrong. I understand the Judge has said that these might relate to the reasons but I just want to discuss the original reason if possible.

The judge has ruled that a personal twitter account has NO relation to the club. I am sure the gentleman at Bradford bulls who was sacked for posting a picture on his twitter account or if you Google Twitter and Sacked the numerous others that have been sacked would like to comment on this. Plus the fact the players in ALL sports who have been fined for posting remarks about refs/players etc. Has this judge set a president that they can say what they want as its not the clubs account.

As a father and fan of Rugby League not just the Giants i would hope that these supposed Celebrities (and lets not move away from the fact that Mason has used a Celebrity to get this court case more visible) should have a responsibility to their fans/public/sponsors who pay their wages. In today's modern age of social media our children are using the likes of Facebook/Twitter and do we want to see pictures of this nature. Not forgetting this wasn't a mooning or a but crack this was a full blown close up.

If i for one posted something like this i know my employers would pull me up on it as i have customers/staff/suppliers following me and no matter what you say if you talk about work or use your account in anyway this IS bringing the club/sport and other players into disrepute.

I wont comment on Koppy as i don't know what has been said/done or not. But I would stand by the actions if they have followed the correct procedure and this wasn't the first instance (so warning had been given, written warning and then your off. Or if they deem this as gross misconduct). End of the day we want more children watching this fantastic game and with Football having such Celebrities (Rooney with his Grannies, Suarez making racial comments, Giggs and his brothers wife) do we really need this bad publicity in our support in the World Cup Year.

PLEASE NOTE THESE ARE MY OWN COMMENTS AND NOT THAT OF MY FAMILY, RUGBY CLUB, COMPANY OR RELIGION.

The Griffin topic is related to what is and what isn't a sackable offense.

As far as I understand it, the RFL investigated and got to the bottom of it, made the Giants pay £20k compensation and that was the end of it; with regards to compensation for the Bulls.

Now if the RFL have been lied to, then they may take it up with the Giants; but it won't have anything to do with the Bulls or further compensation.

RFL now launching an Enquiry into the Kopczak deal.

From the T and A

'*The RFL are to examine evidence given at Leeds Crown Court during Keith Mason’s successful legal fight with Huddersfield this week.

It was revealed that Craig Kopczak verbally agreed to join the Giants on August 8 – a month before controversially walking out on Bulls.'

I've kept schtumm over this issue but feel the need to intercede in some small way,

Many so called Giants supporters appear to be enjoying seeing the club being dragged through the muck, and are taking sadistic pleasure in adding their twopenn'rth.

Then we have the trolls from Bradford and Wakey having a go, (that may stem from the grief we gave them over the last couple of seasons, which in both cases is far from finished.)

Finally can any SL Club say, with absolute honesty, that they have never made an approach to a target player that did not, in any way, infringe the restrictions imposed by the RFL.

Come on people get real, the management have been found out and are going to suffer the consequences, but this is our team, let's not make it any more difficult than it already is.

COYG.

I am sure that someone will correct me if I am wrong but did not The Bradford Bulls go into administration and reform as a new club? Now if this is true and the present club are now about to make demands that were solely in the realm of the old Bulls club will they also be taking on the debts of £750,000 of the old club? After all this was the reason they went into administration so they would be able to start again debt free.I've no doubt it was legal but it was morally wrong.

I am sure no Giants fans are taking pleasure in it.

MY view is that i am pleased that an employee who was treated disgracefully by an employer has been vindicated. I would feel like this whether it was a bus driver, a school teacher or a rugby player. Employees need rights no matter who they are. I do not subscribe to the view of my club right or wrong. There are things to me that are more important and workers rights is one of them

But there are significant issues here which the club need to address. Ken Davy's statement was an embarrassment and in my mind raises concerns about whether he is out of touch with the day to day management of what is going on. If he is he needs to know that a lot of fans feel that this thing has been a PR disaster and a financial disaster for the club.

Who will Ken turn to to find out what has gone wrong and who was responsible. My guess is it would be Thewlis and Morgan who are his main Lieutenants yet thye are the people who seem to be to blame.

On the basis of the evidence (and i have successfully run 8 Unfair dismissal claims on behalf of friends and colleagues) the decision to defend this claim seems absolutely ludicrous. Whose decision was it to fight the case. Additionally employers often settle out of court to avoid damaging publicity.

The club must have known ( But did Ken?) that they had given misleading information to the RFL (LIED) and that this would come out in a hearing. Did Thewlis tell the legal advisors that this was an issue or was it kept on the QT?

The consequence of this is that the club have lost HUNDREDS of THOUSANDS of pounds. anywhere between half and three quarters of a million pounds

Will Ken cover this himself or will it come from selling players and not recruiting others. If it is the second of those options the club and us fans will suffer. Did we lose LOD and EDEN to pay for it.

Has Ken being let down by his managers ?



as for this point i agree and i guess that most clubs do lots of other dodgy stuff BUT the point is you DO NOT GET CAUGHT.

Defending this claim was a guarantee that the club got caught out.

A huge mistake was made in sacking Mason the way it happened, that is bad enough but to compound it with all the other mistakes was incompetence of the highest order.

I do not expect or feel that as fans we are entitled to know the inner workings of the club or management issues that is internal stuff for the club BUT i do feel that IMHO Ken deserves better than he has been served by some of his key staff at the current time.

and as for the trolls from other clubs being given ammunition that is not the fault of posters on here is is the fault of the incompetence of Giants officials to let this happen.

Why would the Bulls get owt out of this? You might of forgot but the old Bulls club AND ALL ITS DEBTS DIED WITH THE OLD CLUB, why would a new club get anything?

Can't pick and choose unfortunately for you so trot on back and concentrate on making top 8 else things might decline even more for you guys.

Well said

I don't think any giants fan is enjoying this! I think you'll find it's veryuch the opposite, and people are adding their twopenneth as a result.

Personally I feel let down by the club who are making statements about having good values but who appear to have at the very least lied, at worst used underhand tactics to get rid of a player they no longer wanted.

Who was kopzcak employed by on 8th August.....

The Giants

Looks like the RFL have confirmed it does not have salary cap implications thank god but they are looking at re opening their enquiry into the kopczak signing.


Looks like Masongate might get messier !

Problem is the club can't post on here, they put out a statement on our website, any Giants fans not happy then make a visit to the stadium and ask to speak to someone who will give the clubs side of things.

Why can't the club post on here? And why should a fan have to go to the stadium to be told the club's side of the matter when it's all over and done with?

Would imagine Giants fans visit the stadium every now and then.

Bradford want more money for KOPCZAK www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... k/?ref=rss

Bradford want more money for KOPCZAK www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/s ... k/?ref=rss

They'll have a job on.

You know what

I don't care any more.
Everything's been said on the matter now, it's not going to change a thing with all our hand wringing and disapproval.

The club did what it did, and it's something all clubs have done at one time or another I'm sure. This time we just got a judge that decided against us (many others have decided twitter and Facebook accounts being public count in this sort of thing)

The RFL may fine or censure the club, and the club will have to deal with that

What we need to so is move on and support the team on the field, constantly chipping in to this thread will do not a shred of good.

And, fwiw, no one beyond this forum or the bulls forum knows or cares about this situation.

Just seen the latest interview from sutcliffe and he's still banging on about the sky money- yes it's harsh on Bradford but you know what they are bleedin lucky they didn't find themselves in the championship alongside crusaders. This thing has nothing to do with kopzcak any more and from what I've heard it appears bradfords recruitment strategy isn't entirely squeaky clean at junior level. - it's all about the money which it appears they are still desperate for. Their crowds have gone down also this season (funny sky isn't banging on about that) and they are clearly worried that the championship is where they could end up when P and R is reinstated.

Im damn sure Mr Davy would do the same being 1.2m out of pocket with sky money over two years! especially spending 99.3% of your salary cap! Idiotic comment and its not hard to see why we are desperate for money is it? And its not our fault the morons running your club think its ok to agree a deal with a player 18 months before his deal is up and think there will be no repercussions! You will find yourself in the same boat when uncle Ken finishes with the dross he has working for him left running the club!

Love me - you Bradford bulls are so single eyed. You knew the score - either championship or lose sky money! That was the "price" of getting a license to stay in suoerleague. That was the deal, tough luck... And you're calling those running our club dross- if it wasn't your dross taking a champion side and running it into the ground within the space of a few years we wouldn't be having this discussion.
Lets hope that all those players who have been tapped up over the years come forward- and all clubs can be fined for each one- im willing bet we'd be paying out less in fines than yourselves.

Kopczak wasn't "tapped up", there was a Gentleman's agreement in place to help Bradford reach the end of the season, Gentleman's agreements are not enforceable. Loads of Bradford players spoke to other clubs as they were entitled to the moment Bradford became insolvent.

As part of the steps to help Bradford the RFL paid players wages, there was also the shenanigans of the purchase of the "iconic stadium". Having been given all these handouts the other 13 clubs quite rightly are entitled to similar handouts. Actually the small 1/13 share of £ 600k for two seasons is much less help than Bradford got, but all clubs agreed this, including OK Bulls.