daddy cool as your official mascot is a wildcat no?

if you watch rugby league back chat on youtube two weeks ago richard thewlis was on and said giants being relegated would be a catastrophe ....

That cat was pretty wild on Sunday, he was top dawg.

Maybe as much for him as anybody.

To be honest would rather keep Giants and relegate London and hope Leigh win championship playoffs. Good away game is Giants and they bring at least 300 to us. What do London bring about 20. Same will be if Toronto come in and Leigh brought over 500 last time they came to us.

I can definitely see the attraction of promoting a team representing a small borough in Wigan and retention of a team representing a small town in West Yorkshire on the basis of away fan following.

We have a small budget like some other teams so need all the revenue we can get. You don’t get compensated for teams entering the league that have no following as far as I am aware.

You got slaughtered on the VT for making the same stupid comment, do you really want humiliating again?

Ludicrous post.

For a start we have no problem losing to London under any circumstance, they have easily outclassed us twice this season so we don't need to lose on purpose. Secondly, do you really think we care who gets relegated so long as it's not us!

So being realistic, Giants and Leigh would bring say 500 combined more fans than Broncos @ £15/head, a 'loss' of £7,500 * 2 (for Toronto) = £15,000

One way to look at that is if Trin are that hard up they a relying on that £15,000 then we as a Super League are in trouble, but another way to look at is to sell the idea of London and Toronto to new fans, and maybe those 'missing' fans could be offset by 'new' fans.

Why is it automatically assumed that revenue is the only element people are alluding to when talking about away fans?

Would rather go to a game with a bit of atmosphere, and actually enjoy seeing and having a chat with away fans on game day (Most of them) rather than staring at a empty away stand with silence when there team score.

By the way your calculations are completely wrong, I think every Hudds fan on here will agree when I say they brought way more than 250 fans to Belle Vue on there visits this season, probably closer to 1000. Leigh also usually turn out in good numbers of around 1000, so straight away your estimation would go from 500 to 2000 - Where are you factoring in food and drink in your calculations? Our chairman has openly said drinks is one of our biggest revenue streams so just wondering how much of that is from the away fans? Please enlighten us? Also where does your figure of £15 come from?£25 for an adult ticket, £10 for a Junior - Even if you split Adult/Juniors 50/50 you still would get an average of £17.50 and it is nowhere near the 50/50 - At a wild guess (As yours purely is) I would say closer to 80/20 Adult to Junior ratio, giving on average of around £22.

Still not a massive amount of revenue, but don`t try falsely manipulating figures to suit your agenda.

I reckon they may increase the league to 14 teams anyway.

It wouldn't be the first time we have been saved by similar moves. In fact by the apparent complete lack of urgency or attempt to do anything to rescue the club ,you have to wonder if they know something we don't.

what did you want them to do?

hands are pretty much tied with salary cap, they tried to offload roberts and swap for hampshire recently but player changed mind.

Because that is what supercat explicit point was - see post a few up



For clarity, you are a Giants fan making this rather abstract comment ?



My agenda is simple, every club has a right to be in SL regardless of away following. If you want to offset the lack of atmosphere or revenue, think outside the box as its not the responsibility of the away team.

Note, our game with HKR has today been moved to a midweek night from a Sunday, no doubt our support that night will be under the microscope.

Homme vaste is a wakey fan

If the Rl keep to the present system of 12 teams it is not beyond the realms of possibility that the Toulouse team could be promoted to SL in 2021 thus having four teams who will bring very few spectators through the gates we will then see how much away support is vital to most clubs.Finance through the gates from away teams is most vital to each and every club so lets not kid ourselves that it isn't.My own thoughts on this would be to increase SL up to 16 or even 18 clubs and bring in Fev Leigh Bulls Toulouse then stop promotion and relegation.Also radical as it may seem start to look at clubs who cannot generate a reasonable income from their own efforts a knock on effect would be a few of the better players would move up to the more affluent team which could bolster the proposed A teams and academies.
As I said radical but it has been happening in industry for years ,also look at Bury and other FA clubs.There are problems in this but I personally can see no other way in the near future.

Fair enough then but all the other teams who are in the danger zone have all made some attempt to bolster their chances, all except Leeds being in worse financial position than us. But to be fair i cant blame Mr Davy if he has said enough is enough, and i,m not surprised Hampshire didn't want to come.

we couldnt bolster as are upto the cap

we tried to swap but it didnt work out

what we did do is hope that the senior injured players come back and hope london keep losing! ferguson came back.... cudjoe came back....wardle came back we know what happened.

How do you know what financial position others are in? And financial Position is not necessarily linked to ability to spend on the cap.l
Wigan have never been in a poor financial position- but have cheated the cap three times!

True jools but it worked and kept them from relegation in one of the cases, The last time the Giants cheated didn't it cost them half a million to Mason and £20.000 to the bulls, somebody was really doing a good job there.
Wigan went from owning the iconic Central park to paying rent where they are now , are you sure they have never been in a poor financial position.

Mason didn`t receive half a million. We lost the case, but we stood on a matter of principle, which is hard to criticise..

But the judge, Mr Justice Saffman, said there was "clear evidence" the Giants wanted Mason off their books, including emails outlining lucrative transfers to coax the prop away from his team.
167 k plus 35k court costs

Yes they wanted him off the books. On a matter of principle. He had, at least twice, broken player conduct rules.

Sounds like internet hearsay, a court of law ruled different