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| Quote ="40 year old giant"brearley we need a centre or 2nd rower ASAP i think brierley is our new full back dont think we will see grix again . as for connor he could be a good loose forward its hard to say he as very good skill sets but lacks pace for me at centre and as you say his defence can be a bit iffy but he is still quite young its up to him like every player in every sport to do the hard work . Look at gerry he had issues a couple of years ago look at him now one of the best wings in the game'"
yes loose forward could be an option for connor but i fear he is just turning into a utility player that can fill in a few positions, master of none.
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| Quote ="willo109"We sign good players and turn them into bad ones. Bailey and Broughton are two that come to mind that were never given a fair crack of the whip and in my opinion, and when they did play we never played to their strenghts. Broughton's speed was never utilised , Murphy is a good honest pro but no-one can tell me he is of super league quality? Which other team would he get into, and thats not having a bash at Murphy , its giving an opinion. Bailey was a ball playing loose forward, not, nor never would be a hooker so why play him there? Huby offloaded for fun at Cas, can probably count on two hands the offloads he's done while he's here. Its all down to the coaching and instructions given out . So with that in mind , me thinks it time to call a cab for Anderson.'"
murphy not super league quality? stopped reading after that comment.
oh and bailey could have been great at loose forward for us but he was injured most of the time , torn bicep. he got a few games back end of season when fit but was poor.
broughton was ousted by murphy and rightly so on the form he was in last season.
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| cudjoe
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| tony smith available at the end of season?? still lives in west yorkshire.. is it hudds?
sorry just putting it out there
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| Quote ="brearley84"icon_lol.gif murphy not super league quality? stopped reading after that comment.
oh and bailey could have been great at loose forward for us but he was injured most of the time , torn bicep. he got a few games back end of season when fit but was poor.
broughton was ousted by murphy and rightly so on the form he was in last season.'"
Murphys as a winger is not super league quality, tell me which other team hed get in that position? ? And yes agreed he was in better form then Broughton but it was more his defence then attacking prowess. You need matchwinnerss/game breakers on the wing. Its not Murphy bashing , just my opinion oops im sorry no one but you can have an opinion and if its voiced its quickly shot down. Ill just slink back into the woodwork and leave it up to you .
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| Quote ="brearley84"tony smith available at the end of season?? still lives in west yorkshire.. is it hudds?
sorry just putting it out there
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hope your right best coach in super league
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| Murphy my favourite player last year. If he's not giving 110% then I would say he's injured in some way.
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| Murphy is 100% super league quality. There is absolutely no doubt about it... He's struggling for form at the minute and is definitely standing out as an under performer. But this happens to all players at some point in there careers. I'm sure he is disappointed with himself and is working extra hard to put things right. I doubt his poor form will last much longer.
And I will agree with Brearley regarding Taai, rapira and Leroy... Have to throw Jerry in there too and Bruno.
It's playing as a team that is our main problem, individually we're not too bad..
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| personally I have my doubts about trying to convert a halfback with pace into a full back. Someone had that great idea with a halfback on the verge of playing at international level and it was just about curtain down for the lad He too had pace--and of similar build and whilst there wasnt a lot wrong with his tackling technique with the big fellas at pace it was all too often try time!
As Isaid in another post Hodson was a "special" at full back and although fairly slight framed his tackling technique for his size was flawless
i get fed up of trying to convert players signed whilst playing in a position theyve learned their trade to different roles Just my opinion
So i hope the recent signing of this lad with potential isnt wasted by experimentation
Let him settle in with us where he got noticed and then see how he goes
Saw bruno in a cup semi at Salford afterhe`d been tried at centre and wingman playing as he does now in the 2nd row Quite honestly the poor fella didnt seem to know where he should postion himself. Good as he is now in that role I would have preferred to keep his pace (with his then size) and tackled as he does to close that space down --much as we`d like Connor to do now iot apperas on here
think some times when ive seen the team sheet they put the positions in a hat! - and its spot the permutation!
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| Quote ="Crackerjack"=#FF0000personally I have my doubts about trying to convert a halfback with pace into a full back. Someone had that great idea with a halfback on the verge of playing at international level and it was just about curtain down for the lad He too had pace--and of similar build and whilst there wasnt a lot wrong with his tackling technique with the big fellas at pace it was all too often try time!
As Isaid in another post Hodson was a "special" at full back and although fairly slight framed his tackling technique for his size was flawless
i get fed up of trying to convert players signed whilst playing in a position theyve learned their trade to different roles Just my opinion
So i hope the recent signing of this lad with potential isnt wasted by experimentation
Let him settle in with us where he got noticed and then see how he goes
Saw bruno in a cup semi at Salford afterhe`d been tried at centre and wingman playing as he does now in the 2nd row Quite honestly the poor fella didnt seem to know where he should postion himself. Good as he is now in that role I would have preferred to keep his pace (with his then size) and tackled as he does to close that space down --much as we`d like Connor to do now iot apperas on here
think some times when ive seen the team sheet they put the positions in a hat! - and its spot the permutation!
bulletproof vest at the ready!!
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It's always a risk, to do something like that. However, it worked with Sam Tomkins at Wigan, and with Gregg McNally at Leigh, albeit a step down from SL. Actually, it was you guys who had started the process with Gregg - so it could well work with Ryan. He has outstanding pace (for the Championship) and the vision to be there when breaks occur. His 'problem' at half back, has been that he hasn't yet developed the skill range normally expected for the position, and tended to 'disappear' in some games. I hope he succeeds for you, wherever he plays.
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| Quote ="Alan"It's always a risk, to do something like that. However, it worked with Sam Tomkins at Wigan, and with Gregg McNally at Leigh, albeit a step down from SL. Actually, it was you guys who had started the process with Gregg - so it could well work with Ryan. He has outstanding pace (for the Championship) and the vision to be there when breaks occur. His 'problem' at half back, has been that he hasn't yet developed the skill range normally expected for the position, and tended to 'disappear' in some games. I hope he succeeds for you, wherever he plays.'"
Worked with lomax at saints (despite injuries), and looks to be working with GOB at Salford too!
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| Quote ="willo109"Murphys as a winger is not super league quality, tell me which other team hed get in that position? ? And yes agreed he was in better form then Broughton but it was more his defence then attacking prowess. You need matchwinnerss/game breakers on the wing. Its not Murphy bashing , just my opinion oops im sorry no one but you can have an opinion and if its voiced its quickly shot down. Ill just slink back into the woodwork and leave it up to you .'"
murphy 18 tries last season
6th in the whole of super league
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| Yes agree --it can work ! But for Chris Thorman (IMO) it didnt and I strongly feel the lad shouldnt have been messed with after playing so well for the Englad "A" team against the tourists I felt that full recognition was just around the corner but that "change of role" did HIM no favours at all Wouldnt want to see a repeat !
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| Quote ="Crackerjack"Yes agree --it can work ! But for Chris Thorman (IMO) it didnt and I strongly feel the lad shouldnt have been messed with after playing so well for the Englad "A" team against the tourists I felt that full recognition was just around the corner but that "change of role" did HIM no favours at all Wouldnt want to see a repeat !'"
will say it again
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| Quote ="Crackerjack"Yes agree --it can work ! But for Chris Thorman (IMO) it didnt and I strongly feel the lad shouldnt have been messed with after playing so well for the Englad "A" team against the tourists I felt that full recognition was just around the corner but that "change of role" did HIM no favours at all Wouldnt want to see a repeat !'"
No, I agree it didn't work for thorman- but then most would see FB didn't suit his skill set he was was much more a briers/brough type player rather than a Tomkins/obrien type player. Imagine briers at fullback!!!!
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| Anderson has confirmed we've held talks with Danny Tickle although made it clear nothing has been decided or agreed.
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| If this is what he's looking at then the club is doomed.
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| Quote ="Crackerjack"personally I have my doubts about trying to convert a halfback with pace into a full back. Someone had that great idea with a halfback on the verge of playing at international level and it was just about curtain down for the lad He too had pace--and of similar build and whilst there wasnt a lot wrong with his tackling technique with the big fellas at pace it was all too often try time!
As Isaid in another post Hodson was a "special" at full back and although fairly slight framed his tackling technique for his size was flawless
i get fed up of trying to convert players signed whilst playing in a position theyve learned their trade to different roles Just my opinion
So i hope the recent signing of this lad with potential isnt wasted by experimentation
Let him settle in with us where he got noticed and then see how he goes
Saw bruno in a cup semi at Salford afterhe`d been tried at centre and wingman playing as he does now in the 2nd row Quite honestly the poor fella didnt seem to know where he should postion himself. Good as he is now in that role I would have preferred to keep his pace (with his then size) and tackled as he does to close that space down --much as we`d like Connor to do now iot apperas on here
think some times when ive seen the team sheet they put the positions in a hat! - and its spot the permutation!
bulletproof vest at the ready!!
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Lot's of sense in and amongst that, You also have to remember we have two so called halves That have to be slotted in somewhere to justify someone signing them, I don't mean that in a controversial way, just that we signed them for a purpose we assume.
It gets a bit comical at times, we have been screaming out for a good pacy halfback for years, when we finally sign one ,it is to play fullback so that a player who is not as good in that position can keep his place.
The method seems to be get them all in somewhere, never mind where they play best, As Arkwright would put it, J J J J Jiggle em about a bit, To be fair to MR Anderson though he wont know where Brearley is best suited yet. I can live with him at Fullback, what happens when Grix is fit. Best solution for me is Ellis to LF but it will take a while yet.
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| I would play Brierely at half back for now.
Let brough organise and kick and let Brierely run and take offloads
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"I would play Brierely at half back for now.
Let brough organise and kick and let Brierely run and take offloads'"
A little one dimensional don't you think?
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| .....................but less of a double gamble than dropping a loan signing who`s played full back to replace him with an established halfback as Ive claimed before
Its using players as "play anywhere commodities" and taking risks "it`ll come off"
Frankly dont see our league position allowing that comfort zone
You can take risks and experiment when youre at or nearer the top --not where we find ourserlves ! Then you CAN try players in different positions AND blood youngsters into a settled established and successful team
But those in charge ewill doas they see fit and I`ll buy a season ticket ---and grit my teeth and bear it ---and others on here will try convince me otherwise
Thats democracy folks!! - and at the moment --a LONG HARD SEASON!!
One thing however does raise questions
Why so many injuries when the seasons just started and no competitive games - what happens mid season when we play the real matches? pessimist or doom merchant --I find it worrying!
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| We are not the only team with injuries, plenty of other, plenty out for season too. Think the tickle situation just illustrates, as Anderson said when Ferres left, there just isn't the players available at the moment. We are looking at what's available. We have cap space, brierley did command a transfer fee I'm sure but not everything we had and his wages won't be massive at the moment. We got money for Ferres, a lot more than we paid for brierley. So we have available funds but there just isn't the calibre of player we'd like. So if tickle has the fitness, he certainly has the ability and experience for the short term but fitness is the question.
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| Quote ="Durham Giant"I would play Brierely at half back for now.
Let brough organise and kick and let Brierely run and take offloads'"
then we are changing full back again!
we will have to grin and bear it with wood to partner brough till ellis is back.
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| Quote ="jools"No, I agree it didn't work for thorman- but then most would see FB didn't suit his skill set he was was much more a briers/brough type player rather than a Tomkins/obrien type player. Imagine briers at fullback!!!!'"
hmmm -He needed to be close to the ref so he could give him his instructions!!
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| Quote ="Crackerjack"hmmm -He needed to be close to the ref so he could give him his instructions!!'"
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