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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"But yet we still defy the odds and punch above our weight. Imagine if we had some ploughing money into our club like you do?
I didn't start out to have a go at Huddersfield, just merely defending my club against the opening post. We are small club with next to no finances who always manage to fight off the underdog tag. We are in Super League due to our performance on the pitch, which seems to be the only indicator not being taken into account.'"
Plese stop advertising your stupidity. Performance is part of the licence criteria. Why not find out about it and then you will not be so ignorant.
Your on pitch peformances are at the cost of delayed payment of taxes, employing loads of journeymen and providing fans with a dilapidated stadium. This is not a sutainable way to run a club and that is why the RFL have their rules.
Next year you will still be in the dump, probably with financial problems, a squad with many reserve grade youngsters on one year contracts, a coach who wants to be elsewhere and a chairman in an IVA. All this after 12 years in SL. Face up.
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| Quote ="Ceejames"Plese stop advertising your stupidity. Performance is part of the licence criteria. Why not find out about it and then you will not be so ignorant.
Your on pitch peformances are at the cost of delayed payment of taxes, employing loads of journeymen and providing fans with a dilapidated stadium. This is not a sutainable way to run a club and that is why the RFL have their rules.
Next year you will still be in the dump, probably with financial problems, a squad with many reserve grade youngsters on one year contracts, a coach who wants to be elsewhere and a chairman in an IVA. All this after 12 years in SL. Face up.'"
I thought their chairman had put their club for sale recently?
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| Quote ="Ceejames"Plese stop advertising your stupidity. Performance is part of the licence criteria. Why not find out about it and then you will not be so ignorant.
Your on pitch peformances are at the cost of delayed payment of taxes, employing loads of journeymen and providing fans with a dilapidated stadium. This is not a sutainable way to run a club and that is why the RFL have their rules.
Next year you will still be in the dump, probably with financial problems, a squad with many reserve grade youngsters on one year contracts, a coach who wants to be elsewhere and a chairman in an IVA. All this after 12 years in SL. Face up.'"
You really are a buffoon. Our on pitch performance covers 22 years. Yours is since you duped your way out of the merger. Your ground would not have happened without the football club. And your chairmans money won't last forever. Were it a level playing field you probably wouldn't exist.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"You claim that Huddersfields league finishes should assure them of a Super League license, but since being promoted in 1988 Wakefield have never once finished in a relegation position.'"
I thought this was a typing error.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"You really are a buffoon. Our on pitch performance covers [u22 years[/u. Yours is since you duped your way out of the merger. Your ground would not have happened without the football club. And your chairmans money won't last forever. Were it a level playing field you probably wouldn't exist.'"
You won the 'Championship GF' in 1998. You entered SL in 1999. So you have been there 12 seasons. Not 22. Learn your own club's history.......buffon
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| Quote ="Ceejames"I thought this was a typing error.
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I never said it was 'good performance', just 'performance'
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"We never actually got relegated prior to 98. We were booted out. Like I said, we haven't finished in a relegation spot in 22 years.'"
Okay so you think wakey should stay in SL.
As I wrote: Next year you will still be in the dump, probably with financial problems, a squad with many reserve grade youngsters on one year contracts, a coach who wants to be elsewhere and a chairman in an IVA. All this after 12 years in SL. Face up.
Now will someone take the shovel off this guy............
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| packed with suppoters on here again sid james
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| Quote ="MOPSEY LIVES ON"packed with suppoters on here again sid james'"
A thread on SL licencing and that is probably the best that you can muster. I know wakey fans dislike the facts about the shambles at their club.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"Not to mention your 'merger' with Sheffield. Surely what you did amounts to fraud?'"
If you look at the history of Sheffield Eagles on thier website you will find this.
"1998 needs no introduction – it was Wembley year. The Eagles beat Wigan 17:8 to the delight of the rugby league world and especially Mark Aston who received the Lance Todd Trophy. That moment should have meant the resurgence of the Eagles but instead sever financial pressures had begun to grow resulting in the merger with Huddersfield on 1st October 1999"
I am sick to death of other clubs fans coming on here and blaming the Giants for the merger which is simply untrue.please read the last two lines several times so it sticks in your tiny mind.and i for one would rather see Wakefield or any other team from Yorkshire stay in s/l than a team from over the pennines.
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| Its ok, its not unusual to find a Wakey fan with selective memory and lacking in any idea of whats gone on.
Wakey lied to get into SL
Stole from contractors and creditors
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Failed to keep promises on the ground improvements
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Does that sound like SL material you?
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| Quote ="Code13"Its ok, its not unusual to find a Wakey fan with selective memory and lacking in any idea of whats gone on.
Wakey lied to get into SL
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Does that sound like SL material you?'"
Sounds like there is no Plan B.
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| Quote ="Code13":3mv8rkcsIts ok, its not unusual to find a Wakey fan with selective memory and lacking in any idea of whats gone on.
Wakey lied to get into SL
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Had points deducted from breach of the salary cap
Failed to keep promises on the ground improvements
Failed to make an impact on the field
Failed to increase the number of home grown players in their squad.
Does that sound like SL material you?'" :3mv8rkcs
I have to take issue with you here and stick up for our friends at WTW.
They did NOT fail to keep promises on the ground improvements. They upgraded the toilets a couple of years ago.
Please get your facts right C13.
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Ivor are you sure putting paper on the role classes as doing the toilets up????
I wish all the Trolls would remeber the fact that sheffield sold a number of players to other clubs before the merger and Huddersfield upheld every promise they gave, Mark Aston is the first to admit that huddersfield helped him in the early days to reform,
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| Completely agree. Love going to wakey games. They are massive rivals for us and I want them in super league.
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| Quote ="Murphy"Completely agree. Love going to wakey games. They are massive rivals for us and I want them in super league.'"
I hate going to Huddersfield games, but only because you normally give us a pasting! I don't actually have an issue with Huddersfield (I actually like their style of play), I just take issue with everyone having a pop at Wakefield because we have a poor stadium. The stadium is on the old side but I'm of the opinion if it's safe enough for the National Leagues then there's no problem with it for Super League. And it may be old school, but surely the side who finishes bottom goes down, and the top side in NL1 come up? Otherwise there is nothing to play for and it should no longer be classed as a 'sport'.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I hate going to Huddersfield games, but only because you normally give us a pasting! I don't actually have an issue with Huddersfield (I actually like their style of play), I just take issue with everyone having a pop at Wakefield because we have a poor stadium. The stadium is on the old side but I'm of the opinion if it's safe enough for the National Leagues then there's no problem with it for Super League. And it may be old school, but surely the side who finishes bottom goes down, and the top side in NL1 come up? Otherwise there is nothing to play for and it should no longer be classed as a 'sport'.'"
They do not just have a pop at the appalling wakey stadium. Some people are also sick of one financial crisis after another that brings the game into disrepute. They also think that after over 10 years in SL playing 10 or more 'overseas plyers' in your starting 17 is very poor - especially when some of your fans go on about being in the RL heartland.
First a stadium safe for 1500 (Nationals) may not be safe for 12000 (SL). Second it is not just about safety. Enabling people to be under cover, to have adequate parking, adequate hospitality and decent toilets should not be a luxury when you go to a SL game.
By your definition the NRL is not a sport
After 3 years the team that finishes bottom with the fewest points on clearly established criteria will go down. ATM that is likely to be wakey.
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| Quote ="imwakefieldtillidie"I hate going to Huddersfield games, but only because you normally give us a pasting! I don't actually have an issue with Huddersfield (I actually like their style of play), I just take issue with everyone having a pop at Wakefield because we have a poor stadium. The stadium is on the old side but I'm of the opinion if it's safe enough for the National Leagues then there's no problem with it for Super League. And it may be old school, but surely the side who finishes bottom goes down, and the top side in NL1 come up? Otherwise there is nothing to play for and it should no longer be classed as a 'sport'.'"
Promotion and relegation is a thing of the past and is very unlikely to come back in the foreseeable future, Like it or not the licence system is here and Wakefield like everyone else will have to find a way to fill the requirements of be left out, personally i hope they find the ways and means, who knows a wealthy man may step forward, It's happened at other lucky clubs.
I thought that a club had to score on other things besides a stadium, and perhaps Wakey dont score well enough on others "I dont know" . What i do find very strange is the RF league stating months ago that a NL side was going to be promoted (almost certainly Widnes ) , How do they know that the NL sides bid will be any better than Wakefields Castlefords or anyone else's, certainly they have a better stadium, a backer with money and are apparently a well run club now, they could well have a better bid than a few Superleague clubs But it all smacks of ( someone is going to make way for Widnes come what may )
Saint Helen's have played in a ramshackle Stadium for as long as Wakefield , Bradford play in a hole in the ground and are going backwards on and off the field, Salford have been promising to build a Stadium for ten years, not a brick has been laid yet i dont think, and they haven't pulled any trees up any other way as far as i can see.
So what will be will be, I think the first hurdle for Wakefield is on Friday, I wish them luck but it's only the first hurdle, If 2 Stadiums get built so close to each other i will be amazed, I really do think that a shared home is the way for them to go although i can imagine the reaction to that would be the same as it would be in Huddersfield if the Giants were encouraged to share with Halifax.
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| Quote ="yully"Ivor are you sure putting paper on the role classes as doing the toilets up????
It was clean paper...
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| Quote ="Wadski"I thought their chairman had put their club for sale recently?'"
Yes I'm sure I saw it in the Zaminer stop press or maybe it was a golf club. Either way I know which would be most value for money.
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| You know why I said what I did?
Because I can remember the spite, bile and vitriol directed to Huddersfield before we got relegated from Wakey fans.
They made their bed. Now they get to lie in it.
I dont want Wakey to go anywhere, I used to be a big fan of Wakey and was as thrilled as any of the Wakey fans at the game when I watched them win promotion to Super League.
But I cant forget the years of abuse, lies, snide comments, "shuddersfield" and so on from those same "fans".
So the phrase "if you cant take it" springs to mind.
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| Quote ="Code13"You know why I said what I did?
Because I can remember the spite, bile and vitriol directed to Huddersfield before we got relegated from Wakey fans.
They made their bed. Now they get to lie in it.
I dont want Wakey to go anywhere, I used to be a big fan of Wakey and was as thrilled as any of the Wakey fans at the game when I watched them win promotion to Super League.
But I cant forget the years of abuse, lies, snide comments, "shuddersfield" and so on from those same "fans".
So the phrase "if you cant take it" springs to mind.'"
I know exactly what you are saying. I'm sure Huddersfield have had equal amounts of verbal abuse along with everyone else, I just think It's a shame, and the amount of hatred between some clubs is quite amazing, Hull- HKR. Bulls-Rhinos. Wigan- Saints, It's all across the league, I know the same sort of thing exists in Football but i dont know if it's in all sports. Rugby League is a minor sport clinging on to existence thanks mainly to Sky , It's under attack from all sides ,Especially Union Via the media, If people need something to aim at , then let them aim at the enemies of Rugby league rather than neighbouring teams.
Banter between fans has always been there , and is a good thing but when it turns to Bile, Vitriol and such, its gone to far, Iv'e had conversations with people who hate certain clubs so much they would love nothing better than for them to just disappear, And when that has happened they will just find another club to hate to take there place, I suppose a lot of it comes down to people being fans of their own clubs rather than Rugby league fans, but that i suppose is human nature.
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| Quote ="Blofelds Cat"I know exactly what you are saying. I'm sure Huddersfield have had equal amounts of verbal abuse along with everyone else, I just think It's a shame, and the amount of hatred between some clubs is quite amazing, Hull- HKR. Bulls-Rhinos. Wigan- Saints, It's all across the league, I know the same sort of thing exists in Football but i dont know if it's in all sports. Rugby League is a minor sport clinging on to existence thanks mainly to Sky , It's under attack from all sides ,Especially Union Via the media, If people need something to aim at , then let them aim at the enemies of Rugby league rather than neighbouring teams.
Banter between fans has always been there , and is a good thing but when it turns to Bile, Vitriol and such, its gone to far, Iv'e had conversations with people who hate certain clubs so much they would love nothing better than for them to just disappear, And when that has happened they will just find another club to hate to take there place, I suppose a lot of it comes down to people being fans of their own clubs rather than Rugby league fans, but that i suppose is human nature.'"
To be honest, the Hull fans seem to hate everyone, including each other. But apart from Humberside, I can say I've never witnessed aggresion and bile from Rugby League fans.
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