All of the above is the likely answer Jools
Losing Robbo midfield hit our attack and defence
Missing Grix - for all his faults, hit our defensive line

We WERE well out of condition at the start of the season

Using Wardle as a back row (never the best defender) stung our attack and defence again

I still think our issue is and always has been attitude. Too many average players thinking too much of themselves. Its the same reason we cant put teams to the sword and why we always lose tight games.

It's about time that we got positive to me.

Despite the Salford game this is now in our own hands.

Not to say we will take it but win our next three and we are pretty much safe.

Our problem at Salford and yesterday is the right hand side without Gerry. Ormsby is slow, Ellis is like a snail and they attacked that side particulary Ellis and Ormsby and it worked.

We once again put our cue on the rack and Child didn't help with a cock eyed view of offside but in a way it was a good reminder of what needs fixing.

But that said its in our hands next up beat London then we need the big game at Leigh. You can only ask to be in control of your own destiny but a positive mindset is a must.

If its true that Wardle will be going early and Connor still going to Hull as well as Grix leaving I think next year we need a Full back, Winger and a Centre.

Gene Ormsby and Jamie Ellis I agree are way too slow and did not look any better than the Batley players.

at this point in time i think it will be salford in the mpg with either giants/hull kr.

but we are building some confidence slowly, the defence def needs work still, mcgillvary coming in for ormsby may help, i think ellis is poor in defence one on one.

our fitness levels are no where like previous season and its been well flagged up on here about brown leaving for salford being an issue, hope it gets rectified by stone for next year.

they do need to work hard for each other, we kept batley to 2 points for a good while, the game was won so the mind set changed and we leaked a few tries , still no excuse though really but it happens, not just to us

10 points looks like it could be the magic number to be in the top 3.

3 more wins giants!

No doubt the Leigh game at the LSV will be so important I'm sure Ryan B will get a warm reception, I myself had a lot of time for Ryan, not only a good player but a credit to his family as a young man, I think this game will be a cracker, supposedly of Sky.Charlie knows.

As i said all day yesterday when people were trying to work permutations out, if we win all of our remaining games, and we are capable, then we stay up, it's as simple as that and it's in our own hands, we could possibly afford a slip up at Leigh but don't want that to happen obviously!

It's in our hands!

Well I've heard some strange nmes in my time, surely your real name can't be Jo can it?

I believe its joe really -but his keyboards faulty like yours caroline!

Well i've never seen anyone with feet as big as you, or a nose so red either.

Very true Jo,not to mention my 10 gallon Bowler Hat,and white face.

Get it right , my name is Charlotte when I'm in my TV gear,I suppose you will be handing out pencils after the next game if you win.

Your beginning to sound like Rhinos fans on here since you beat Batley

Meast,can't believe your posting that..

4 more Centurions........

You mean as a full time professional club that we are relieved that we got the job done at a part time team?
Or something else?

will grix and connor's hearts really be in it? going at the end of the season so not totally comitted

would want the ones like houghton at hull who will do the extra 1% for the team, hudds lads like cudjoe, mcgillvary will do that

whoever wins between leeds and salford tomorrow stay in super league for me, big game. leeds win would be better for us

I disagree

Leeds lose, Salford are going to be OK

Salford lose, they are staring at 5th

leeds lose and they have to beat us

salford win and they stay up, lose its mpg and i wouldnt want to play them thats for sure

think we agree!

Hudds v Salford in the MPG that's nailed on.Charlie knows.

I see a Salford victory in the ball Charlie.

on your own board you say Leigh are a fair way off SL. So 6th for you guys then????