Quote ="Wadski"Not according to the stats - Griffin dominates Coley on most things (Coley looks to have been playing a defensive role) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Look at the error count and penalties.'" I think you are wasting your time with this one Mr Wadski Sir, he's obviously not going to let facts get in the way of a bit of trolling.

Quote ="Wadski"Not according to the stats - Griffin dominates Coley on most things (Coley looks to have been playing a defensive role) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Look at the error count and penalties.'" I think you are wasting your time with this one Mr Wadski Sir, he's obviously not going to let facts get in the way of a bit of trolling.

Quote ="Wadski"Not according to the stats - Griffin dominates Coley on most things (Coley looks to have been playing a defensive role) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Look at the error count and penalties.'" Yeah the stats are very close mabye cause he's played 2 more games but not taking anything away from griffin We need a good prop what can defend look at feka with us how many times did teams take this **** running round him at marker wire last season in the cc semi did it over and over like i said before if any of your players rip it in aus i will come and eat humble pie

Quote ="Wadski"Not according to the stats - Griffin dominates Coley on most things (Coley looks to have been playing a defensive role) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Look at the error count and penalties.'" Yeah the stats are very close mabye cause he's played 2 more games but not taking anything away from griffin We need a good prop what can defend look at feka with us how many times did teams take this **** running round him at marker wire last season in the cc semi did it over and over like i said before if any of your players rip it in aus i will come and eat humble pie

If i was trolling wouldn't i say all there players was ****?

Coley ?

You must be joking.

Best props this season

Fielden (after four woeful years),Graham and Larne Patrick.

Is this guy for real?

He didnt cause them any problems last year and he wont this year either.

2 more games makes Coleys error and penalty count worse. Well spotted.

Didn't say anything about that

Quote ="Wadski"2 more games makes Coleys error and penalty count worse. Well spotted.'" But he has made a lot more tackles so there's bound to be more penalties in there. For what its worth I would have Griffin over Coley. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Thats Fielden against Griffin. If it came to it would you have Griffin or Crabtree for that "impact" prop role?

Quote ="Wadski"2 more games makes Coleys error and penalty count worse. Well spotted.'" But he has made a lot more tackles so there's bound to be more penalties in there. For what its worth I would have Griffin over Coley. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Thats Fielden against Griffin. If it came to it would you have Griffin or Crabtree for that "impact" prop role?

who was this then?

Quote ="inside_man"But he has made a lot more tackles so there's bound to be more penalties in there. For what its worth I would have Griffin over Coley. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Thats Fielden against Griffin. If it came to it would you have Griffin or Crabtree for that "impact" prop role?'" Oooh - look at the errors again. I'm amazed you managed to win owt with these two sloppy players.

Quote ="inside_man"But he has made a lot more tackles so there's bound to be more penalties in there. For what its worth I would have Griffin over Coley. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Thats Fielden against Griffin. If it came to it would you have Griffin or Crabtree for that "impact" prop role?'" Oooh - look at the errors again. I'm amazed you managed to win owt with these two sloppy players.

lol, fish much?



I'd trade the errors for more meters and lots more tackles.

Expensive yards over cheap ones? You've lost it mate.

England squad:
England: G Widdop (Melbourne); T Briscoe (Hull), M Shenton (Castleford), R Atkins (Warrington), R Hall (Leeds); K Brown (Huddersfield), S Tomkins (Wigan); A Morley (Warrington, capt), J Roby (St Helens), D Griffin (Huddersfield), G Ellis (Wests Tigers), S Burgess (South Sydney), S O'Loughlin (Wigan).

Subs (from): L Robinson (Huddersfield), E Crabtree (Huddersfield), J Tomkins (Wigan), B Westwood (Warrington), B Harrison (Warrington), L Cudjoe (Huddersfield).

No James Graham and Griffin starts at prop.


Tomkins at 7.


No Joel

Joel's on the bench, and Fielden only flew out y'day so was never going to play.

Always thought Tomkins would go to 7 as Browns more an out and out 6.

Missed that.

We knew Fielden wouldnt play but Graham rested and Griff in?

Probably just nursing a slight injury or something. Or maybe just needed an extended rest. Not as if he would be dropped!

its a solid team all told.

Fielden has had a great season and no mistake, but he has also got a very poor rep at international level, even when he was in his pomp at Bradford

Crabtree has had a flat season by his standards, but has picked it up at the business end of the season, and that counts for a lot. Plus he did the business against the ockers last time out.

Griff has been the hard worker, no flash carries, no massive busts, but the man doing the hard bloody graft in the middle, and thats what allows the likes of Patrick (and in Englands case Fielden or Crabtree) to come on and get the offloads and big busts.

Sam Tomkins has the pace and agility to burn, and given that the England pack is good enough to give him and Brown some space, then he should revel in it and I bloody well hope so.

Kev is one of the most underrated stand offs in the game, he gives the team something that Tomkins doesnt, a brilliant distributer of the ball, he might not be wearing shiney yellow boots, but he will be the one pulling the strings. It is my genuine opinion that he is one of the most complete stand offs we have seen in a generation.

Robbo has the ability to play at 7 or 9, and in both he has a super little kicking game, the speed to go through gaps from 9 and the defence to bring even the biggest down one on one.

A LOT of people have written this team off, but its probably the most balanced, well thought out squad we have taken in years, picking players based on form, skill and temperament is a huge tick in Macca's for column in my opinion. Better than previous coaches picking on club and rep and earning us a spanking.

I actually have a lot of hope that this squad, even if they ultimately dont win the comp, will do themselves bloody proud.

Oh, and dont forget this is a warmup game, players are still playing for places. Graham is nailed on for the full test, Griff and Crabtree arent so have a chance to prove themselves.

oh yeah, expect the props for the first full test to be

Graham and Morley and then it depends on how well Crabtree and Griff do, if they tear the Maori apart then they may both get the nod over Fielden, otherwise it will be Fielden + Crabtree I bet.

Says on the BBC that we still can't play more than 17 players. Which two of the subs you reckon will miss out?

Also..............

The Wire players.

If Robinsons going to be on the bench then i'd imagine Cudjoe would drop out. There's enough utility from Tomkins and Brown to cover across the backline so we don't need 2 backs on the bench. Unless he wanted to give Cudjoe a chance to stake his claim but I see that backline pretty much settled already.

We will have a hooker on the bench, another prop (moving Burgess up as fourth prop) and therefore 2 second rows.

Therefore I would expect Cudjoe (19th) and Harrison (18th) be to be dropped. I see no point putting Cudjoe on there as 18th man / water carrier as three weeks ago he ended his season on crutches therefore better to 'rest' him.

fair point

maybe he starting spot is already assured for the big event

I find this whole thread quite interesting, on one hand you have some derogatory comments about our players from posters mainly from Wigan because they dared to be picked by the England coach.

Most of the Huddersfield players should never be picked, are never good enough, utterly rubbish ans not fit enough to tie the laces of the toilet cleaners boots from the DW stadium........etc.etc.........


Well get use to it fellow Giants fans because it's the price we'll all have to pay for following a club with ambition, desire, know how and drive to succeed, yep having a team full of international stars will bring these types trollers along - long may it continue

Well, after years of watching players from Leeds, Saints, Bradford and Wigan get spanked, it will make a change if nothing else.

After all, we have been so successeful just picking the favourites from those few clubs havent we.