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| God it was painful watching our attack,little to no structure,players picking wrong lines,halves taking wrong options,and afraid to pass the ball when there was a possibility of an overlap.How many times did we go to the kick behind their 'd' line early in the count.Saints had no trouble with our moves,they read them like a book we were that predictable.
The galling thing was that we dominated Saints in the strength battle,it seems like we when we get one aspect of our game right,the other aspect drops away and vice versa.
Thought Luke R. was outstanding in most of what he did,Jerry made his usual tough metres,(shame the one error led to a try),Doof had a good spell in half 2,Fooey good defensively.Maybe we should get the ball to the Fooster more when in the op red zone,he can make things happen,while at the mo some of the others are struggling.Anyway changes for next week as Broughy looks like he's out for another spell.
Also if decoy runners hang around in our line,run into them,had we done that 2 of their tries would have been chalked off.
Suppose the pressure if off now in terms of a top 4 finish,maybe they can relax a bit more and get some self belief back.
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| just to pick up on what IVOR said about receiving the pass.
is it just me or has anyone else that our forwards dont seem to run onto the ball from a backwards pass? by that i mean charging in from a few metres out so that are at pace when receiving, they seem to almost receive a flat pass from a standing position, from where we were behind the sticks last night you could see this clearly,the forwards have got no momentum when hitting the line.
another thing, i think it was gahan i said it to at the game, we seem to run towards opposition defensive line in a kind of arcing run rather than straight on,whats that all about?
in terms of where we were at the start of the season we are miles away from that now.
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| Quote Suppose the pressure if off now in terms of a top 4 finish,maybe they can relax a bit more and get some self belief back.'"
spot on pauly! hopefully your'e right, although with les dragons losing last night it's given us some hope of nicking 4th and a home tie in the play offs
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| Biggest difference for me is we go with 2 in the tackle as opposed to 3 earlier in the season.
We aint winning the ruck anymore
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| Decision making isn't quite right, I think Brough was trying too hard really but yeah, we lacked someone to take the game on and to direct the team.
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| Also early in the season our attack came from deep behind the advantage line, now we are playing it much flatter and flat attacks don't work any more.
Saints were coming from deep last night, Wire and Wigan attack from deep. We've started attacking flat.
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| Quote ="meast":1fyguhv4just to pick up on what IVOR said about receiving the pass.
is it just me or has anyone else that our forwards dont seem to run onto the ball from a backwards pass? by that i mean charging in from a few metres out so that are at pace when receiving, they seem to almost receive a flat pass from a standing position, from where we were behind the sticks last night you could see this clearly,the forwards have got no momentum when hitting the line.
another thing, i think it was gahan i said it to at the game, we seem to run towards opposition defensive line in a kind of arcing run rather than straight on,whats that all about?
in terms of where we were at the start of the season we are miles away from that now.'" be standing further back giving them time to catch the ball when running at speed.
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| To be fair, for the opening part of the game, Huddersfield were really pinned in their own half. So there was little oppertunity to attack. When you did get down field, we moved forward in 1 line, which closed the distance between defense and attack, meaning from flat passes Huddersfield stuggled to get up any head of steam and so there was little chance to spin in the tackle and get any 2nd phase play.
Not to mention daft things like rolling the ball over your back on the Saints line after we where down to 12 men.
I still don't get why Clough got binned for decent, yet 30 seconds later huddersfield get marched back 10 meters. Surely even the ref can see the inconsistency in that.
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| rubbish again lastnight
saints were there for the taking but giants cant even beat them with 10 players out
couldnt win the forward battle, god knows what score it would of been if puletua was playing! griffin has gone backwards but that will be to do with signing for leeds.
attack is poor against the top teams.... we cant score!! had loads of chances lastnight to win the game.
missing brett hodgson...grix comes into the line and the play just balls up or he gets tackled.
then we resorted to poor kicks.
how many line breaks did we make lastnight???? 1? brough's then he got injured!
this is why chan has been signed because we dont have anyone who can break the line!
all these long term contracts makes you wonder is they can be motivated, after all they are going to get paid for the next 4 season, 5 in some cases.
looks like teams have figured out how to beat us now... giants dont have a plan b
can see us finishing 6th at this rate with catalans and leeds above us in the table.
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| Quote ="brearley84"rubbish again lastnight
saints were there for the taking but giants cant even beat them with 10 players out
can see us finishing 6th at this rate with catalans and leeds above us in the table.'"
Now now, don't start talking silly. Leeds won't make the top 5. I'm sure you will win your last 3 games. Alot of our fans went OTT last week after a close loss to wigan. You were not that far off the pace!
If you want an example of who our most depressed fan was feeling before the game here is a taster.
Quote ="Saddened!"We could get smashed to pieces looking at their lineup. Their backs worry me to all hell.
Now I was mocked the other year for fancying Wakey's backs over our own, but would anyone else swap their 1-5 for ours (Assuming I've got the nicknames right)?
Wellens 1 Grix (Yes)
Armstrong 2 Cudjoe (Yes)
Shenton 3 Lawrence (Yes)
Meli 4 Horne (No)
Foster 5 McGilvray (Yes)'"
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"Now now, don't start talking silly. Leeds won't make the top 5. I'm sure you will win your last 3 games. Alot of our fans went OTT last week after a close loss to wigan. You were not that far off the pace!
If you want an example of who our most depressed fan was feeling before the game here is a taster.
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leeds are hitting form at the right time and have us to play the last game of the season which will prob be for 5th spot.
not that far off the pace?!! nope but you had 10 players missing so bound to be not far off!
built the pressure lastnight but couldnt finish it off, we either knocked on or put a weak kick in...like i say no plan B. then you go up the other end and have a leon pryce who can break a line...... wish we had him
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| Quote ="Gahan"Pretty much how i saw it over there, we were about effective as my chauffeurs sense of direction coming home, it was poor.'" To be honest I shouldn't have gone as I felt awful. We dropped you off then I dropped the Mrs and Daughter off at home then went straight to hospital where I spent the night. Back home now feeling like I'm on another planet after being pumped with antibiotics and cocodamol
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| I thought we were poor, we never looked like winning that game at all. OK, Price's "try" was bad luck, clearly a defender loitering in the line for that one. But to allow a prop to go 40 meters unopposed to score under the sticks is scandalous.
Attack was a disgrace....no organisation or sense of direction at all.All in all, very poor imo.
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| I am disspointed , but not down hearted.
Disappointed with the result, and with also with the opportunity to beat saints on their own patch, and disappointed because the reason we did nor win was our own performance , rather than a great one by the opposition.
How many forward passes? How many more dropped balls than our oppenents who are playing in the same weather conditions as us? And how many times have I thought those 2 questions this past 3 months?
But - our best performance for weeks, and hey look at how our expectations have changed this sesaon. We are a good team - not great yet- but we have the play offs ahead of us, and on our day we can beat anyone...and look at the nationality, age profile and talent of our team most which we have secured for the next rew years too. Its a great time being a giants fan. And an even better future.
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| I am glad i dont live in the same world as some of the posters on here,i think i would have topped me self by now FFS stop talking shizzer, so many negative nigels.
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| Quote ="BOYD2"I am glad i dont live in the same world as some of the posters on here,i think i would have topped me self by now FFS stop talking shizzer, so many negative nigels.
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Point the positives out from the last few weeks for us mate, im missing em but im sure you'll rectify em for me
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| we could have lost to bradford,wakefield etc.............. ........................... .......................
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| Quote ="bewareshadows"I still don't get why Clough got binned for decent, yet 30 seconds later huddersfield get marched back 10 meters. Surely even the ref can see the inconsistency in that.'"
It wasn't for dissent, it was for kicking the ball away afterwards. The ref was consistent with dissent in that both teams were awarded a penalty.
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| Quote ="brearley84"
missing brett hodgson...grix comes into the line and the play just balls up or he gets tackled.
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This is a problem now IMO,Grixy is excellent on kick returns and is a good broken field runner,but as a FB in SL it's obvious you have got to be able to join the line as a second 5/8th or else overlaps aren't going to be be created.This is what Bodgy did last year,arcing around to the outside of the halves,but then most importantly when he got the ball he had the confidence to throw the flat pass to the outside backs.Grixy tends to step back inside when he does move into '2nd 5/8th',takes the tackle and they have to set up again.
Hope this is summat they can fix up.
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| Hodgson plays as an extra half back and took pressure off the other halves as he offered threat with ball in hand and with his kicking game. However i would say he is quite unique among full backs and i cannot think of another similar player in super league. Grix IMO is more than competant as a full back and offers more than the majority of players in his position.
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| Quote ="Sheepridge Giant"This is a problem now IMO,Grixy is excellent on kick returns and is a good broken field runner,but as a FB in SL it's obvious you have got to be able to join the line as a second 5/8th or else overlaps aren't going to be be created.This is what Bodgy did last year,arcing around to the outside of the halves,but then most importantly when he got the ball he had the confidence to throw the flat pass to the outside backs.Grixy tends to step back inside when he does move into '2nd 5/8th',takes the tackle and they have to set up again.
Hope this is summat they can fix up.'"
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| Quote ="the stella kid"Hodgson plays as an extra half back and took pressure off the other halves as he offered threat with ball in hand and with his kicking game. However i would say he is quite unique among full backs and i cannot think of another similar player in super league. Grix IMO is more than competant as a full back and offers more than the majority of players in his position.'"
I fully agree with this- hodgy is unique, grixy has proved more than competent at fb, one of the players said last year when we had brough, robbo, brown and hodgy sometimes they had too many trying to make playmaking decisions and not enough ready to run onto the ball. The club (not Ken!) thought that keeping hodgson may be a gamble injury wise, it turns out that wasn't the case, hey oh, but I don't think patten would have done a better job than grixy.
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| Grix is our only player who constantly and consistently backs up.
It is invariably him who takes the Fuey pass. It is him who chases downfield following a [rare break [his try v HKR.
He throws fewer 'strange' passes than BH!
My player of the season so far.
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