someone mentioned joining in the cheat chants ...it wasn't aimed at you BTW, top of the page.

name fans who don't chant cheat at games? hudds fans use to be regulars a few years ago!

As soon as I saw hull kicking for two I knew we had them running scared-and so would the players. Child's was ok but did make some howlers-but did so for both sides-hull slowed the ptb so much in the first half and it was let go -hull were good in defence-our handling was abysmal, hulls kicking game was good esp early on but hull had no attacking flair. Can't wait to get ,odonnell, fooey, gilly and George back for next week.

Now we all know your talking rubbish-giants fans don't chant or shout anything!!!

Mate, I aren't being funny but you must have been watching a different game to me. He penalised you guys 4 times in the entire game,a token 2 in the last minute. No team is that squeaky clean to only commit 2 penalties in 79 mins. I think the guy is a disgrace, don't get me wrong you guys deserved the win, and were the better side, but you aren't gonna concede many points if you can get away with being offside like any team would. I'm still scratching my head with him judging how Seymour knocked on that kick in the 1st half.

I'm just proud of the defence, desire and work ethic FC showed today. Last season under Agar, we would have been 20 points down in that first half. Overall a great game of Rugby League, with dropped ball being down to some brutal hits. Congratulations on the win, I do think the score flattered you guys. You lot have a good side there. Best of luck this season, except for this sunday when I hope you're s**t, lol

I thought child had a fairly decent game,a couple of dodgy ones but nothing too bad, one of the better performances from an official this year i thought.
As for the game both defences were on top for most of it, but once we broke their resilience it was all over for them, they offered very little on attack but could be down to our decent defence.

well im not being funny but i thought you was offside as much as we was i mean your forwards was in our face just after robbo basically picked up the ball and lets be fair they are not that fast. grix had a knock on against him from a 20m resrtart where his facing backwards and droped the ball backwards. but was a very scrappy game but both have brilliant defences

Probably yes, every team tries to get away with things in a game, I aren't disputing that. Hull got penalised far more in that game than you lot, I mean TWO penalties in 79 mins. Take your blinkers off mate, no team in Super League is that disciplined. Child wasn't the reason we lost that game, you were the better team on the day no doubt and we just ran out of petrol in the last quarter, but that clown had an influence on it. If you aren't willing to admit that then there's something wrong.

Have a nice day, should be another good game on Sunday.

He wasnt great but Can't say he influenced the outcome- it wasn't him dropping balls And taking two points instead of taking advantage of the few bits of field possession hull had all game- as soon as I saw they were taking two I knew they were lacking in confidence-and probably so did the players.

Yeah, as soon as they took 2 early on I knew they'd struggle to break us down

OK, but how did the score get to 2-2 at halftime? Surely your side took 2 early on as well?

Both sides struggled to break each other down till about the 60th minute, very even match till then. You have a good team that deserved to win, no complaints from me.

could have been 6-2 but chose to run it twice-

It amazes me how many comments from supporters I hear at games and read on forums about offside.

The fact of the matter is a player is only deemed offside if he/she are judged to have interfered in play. If a winger is stood 1m in front of the referee at the PTB is the referee going to run 30m over to the wing to blow for the penalty. The answer is NO.

The communication the referee will recieve from the TJ will be something along the lines of "Jordan Turner offside right". If he become involved in play the referee will get an "involved" call. Then the referee will (or should) penalise the player.

The penalties referees blow for straight away are usually because the players stood directly in the line of play are offside. Hull, for example, had a very quick line speed early in the first half and you could hear them call "IN" when the ball had been played. This took its toll after 15mins as Radford and Lynch were not retreating the 10m and were stood either side of the referee. Hudds on the other hand employed similar tactics but had the luxury of 3 forwards on the bench which meant players were not as fatigued and made the 10m.

so are you saying that players dont have to be behind the ref (or back 10 metres) as long as they dont interfere at the next play?

thats what it reads like to me daz , i really am going to have to watch a game with my `gerrem onside` toned well down now.

Why penalise if there not affecting play?

Depends on how you define "effecting play" doesn't it

I always thought they had to stay 10 metres till the ball had been played ...at least thats how it used to be !

BTW i'm not disputing it, just wanted clarification of it thats all.....your the Ref at the end of the day, mind ya these days most of em seem to have forgot the rules

As someone once said "If they're not affecting play, what are they doing on the pitch?"

On Monday Child pinged Jordan Turner for offside at a scrum when the ball went to the opposite side to him. Although TBF Turner did start moving forward as Scott Grix was feeding the scrum so he couldn't have been much more offside if he tried.

You do have to be 10m from the play the ball or 5m from the base of a scrum to be onside.

What I'm saying is if the ball is played and moved to the right of the field yet the centre at the opposite side of the field is offside do you penalise him as he is technically in breach of the rule?

You have to allow a common sense approach to refereeing and ask yourself the question is that player effecting play?

The Jordan Turner example mentioned above could be argued that yes he was effecting play. Did Scott Grix see Turner moving up quickly and thought the better option would be to go on the opposite side? Is Turner directing where the attack goes by being in an offside position. At a scrum I would argue this to be the case.

Was just about to make the same comment about turner.

So, do you, or do you not, penalise persistent offside at the PTB if the player(s) are not* affecting play? And if you do, how many times would it need to occur before you blow up?

*Of course it can be argued that players not making the 10 are affecting play, as they are not making an effort to retreat the full distance and therefore tire less quickly as the game progresses.

Also, on the couple of occasions the Giants took a quick tap on the 20 there were very few Hull players onside, yet on neither occasion were they penalised.

Is it any wonder fans get frustrated at refereeing inconsistencies?

If persistant then yes, of course you do. Referees and TJ's speak to players during the game and usually this helps the referee police the 10m. For instance if Eorl Crabtree was offside the referee will say something along the lines of "Eorl you're offside". If Eorl becomes involved (i.e makes the tackle) he will be penalised. If he stays out of the tackle and retires to the 10m and then makes the tackle then its play on as he is classed as being onside when he makes the original 10m mark. If he stays out of the tackle but the referee has noted him as being offside most referees will talk to the play whilst on the run. So dialect may be "Eorl give me another yard on your 10m". This gives the player indication that he is being noted as not making the 10m. If he become persistant I would expect any referee to penalise him accordingly.

In terms of your comment regarding players affecting play and tiring I think theres more of an argument about players changing direction to avoid offside players than tiring. Players wont generally fatigue any quicker going 9m or 10m to be fair. Robbo may see a player in an offside position and decide to take play to avoid that player. There is an argument that this affects play rather than the offside player becoming involved (i.e. making a tackle)

Your point on the 20m restarts is interesting. Players often take a quick tap and run at a player who is offside. That player then makes the tackle once they hit the 30m line. A referee shouldn’t really penalise a defending player if the attacking player has deliberatly run into him. That’s why you don’t see markers being penalised when the dummy half deliberatly runs at them. If the attacking player deliberatley runs at the offside player, who then turns round and tackles the attacker, then yes a penalty should be given.

Interesting debate. It's a fine balance between applying the laws of the game fairly and allowing a game to flow.

The problem appears to be allowing referees that discretion of when to penalise and it being applied consistently during games and throughout the season. I don't think it has helped at the start of each season when there used to be a crackdown on certain infringements and then this was forgotten about after a few weeks. Thankfully, this seems to have stopped now. However, situations where referees have their own ideas about what they are going to be unduly harsh or lenient about should not arise - Ganson's performance in our play-off game vs Warrington being a particularly extreme case.

If they're not affecting play, why are they on the pitch?