All 3 went last time, remind how we did then

52-4 was it?

Yep all better and before we've played a game too, not that Mac is certain to start em anyway, could go with Widdop at 1 and golden boy at 6, your argument could be irrelevant if none play, if the latter happens then we would get smashed, id run at your boy all day long with his non existent defence, ffs even Leroy ran over him at your place

Impossible. Tomkins let him pass because Pryce had paid his toll. It's like Robin Hood and that bridge but with posts at either end.

Yet all three of them have been pretty poor at international level.
It is also one of the problems we have had in the international game. Pick players who have been successful at club level in successful teams.

Thye are then found wanting when they have to compete against players a nd teams better than they are used to.

You think sam is bad in defence?

Sam is the best thing the english has had in a looooong time put him at 6 or 1 he will do the joband cause the aussies loads of problems, i think you need to have a look at your own team before slagging off a very talented young player with a GRAND FINAL WINNERS MEDAL

Think he picked up an injury against us might be wrong

I agree with your first statement but why put in players who aint even successful at club level?

I'll tell you why cause we have got jack to cover us if injurys happen

Because it is entirely possible that good players who have the ability , the skill and the temperament to play at a higher level are overlooked because too many English coaches are too stupid to look outside of the top 4 teams and pick players on their reputations rather than there ability.

They tend to play it safe.

I mean if you pick all your players from the Grand final contenders over the last few years ie saints and Leeds you surely cannot go wrong, they are bound to be world beaters.

Out of the 6 players we have going over i would say the only one you have rated (Crabtree) is the only one that hasnt justified his selection this year! He has had two good games at the end of the year but has been nowhere near his form of last year. I'm glad he is going because he ads something different to the squad, but as i said anyone who has seen hudds more than a handful of times will tell you that we have 3 other english props who have been consistantly better than Eorl this year.

I rate young lunt

Coley,fielden,morley and graham have been better than both griffin and crabtree this season

Now I know you're daft

Quote ="king warrior" Coley,fielden,morley and graham have been better than both griffin and crabtree this season'" Not according to the stats - Griffin dominates Coley on most things (Coley looks to have been playing a defensive role) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Look at the error count and penalties.

Quote ="king warrior" Coley,fielden,morley and graham have been better than both griffin and crabtree this season'" Not according to the stats - Griffin dominates Coley on most things (Coley looks to have been playing a defensive role) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Look at the error count and penalties.

Quote ="Wadski"Not according to the stats - Griffin dominates Coley on most things (Coley looks to have been playing a defensive role) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Look at the error count and penalties.'" I think you are wasting your time with this one Mr Wadski Sir, he's obviously not going to let facts get in the way of a bit of trolling.

Quote ="Wadski"Not according to the stats - Griffin dominates Coley on most things (Coley looks to have been playing a defensive role) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Look at the error count and penalties.'" I think you are wasting your time with this one Mr Wadski Sir, he's obviously not going to let facts get in the way of a bit of trolling.

Quote ="Wadski"Not according to the stats - Griffin dominates Coley on most things (Coley looks to have been playing a defensive role) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Look at the error count and penalties.'" Yeah the stats are very close mabye cause he's played 2 more games but not taking anything away from griffin We need a good prop what can defend look at feka with us how many times did teams take this **** running round him at marker wire last season in the cc semi did it over and over like i said before if any of your players rip it in aus i will come and eat humble pie

Quote ="Wadski"Not according to the stats - Griffin dominates Coley on most things (Coley looks to have been playing a defensive role) www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Look at the error count and penalties.'" Yeah the stats are very close mabye cause he's played 2 more games but not taking anything away from griffin We need a good prop what can defend look at feka with us how many times did teams take this **** running round him at marker wire last season in the cc semi did it over and over like i said before if any of your players rip it in aus i will come and eat humble pie

If i was trolling wouldn't i say all there players was ****?

Coley ?

You must be joking.

Best props this season

Fielden (after four woeful years),Graham and Larne Patrick.

Is this guy for real?

He didnt cause them any problems last year and he wont this year either.

2 more games makes Coleys error and penalty count worse. Well spotted.

Didn't say anything about that

Quote ="Wadski"2 more games makes Coleys error and penalty count worse. Well spotted.'" But he has made a lot more tackles so there's bound to be more penalties in there. For what its worth I would have Griffin over Coley. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Thats Fielden against Griffin. If it came to it would you have Griffin or Crabtree for that "impact" prop role?

Quote ="Wadski"2 more games makes Coleys error and penalty count worse. Well spotted.'" But he has made a lot more tackles so there's bound to be more penalties in there. For what its worth I would have Griffin over Coley. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Thats Fielden against Griffin. If it came to it would you have Griffin or Crabtree for that "impact" prop role?

who was this then?

Quote ="inside_man"But he has made a lot more tackles so there's bound to be more penalties in there. For what its worth I would have Griffin over Coley. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Thats Fielden against Griffin. If it came to it would you have Griffin or Crabtree for that "impact" prop role?'" Oooh - look at the errors again. I'm amazed you managed to win owt with these two sloppy players.

Quote ="inside_man"But he has made a lot more tackles so there's bound to be more penalties in there. For what its worth I would have Griffin over Coley. www.superleague.co.uk/statistics ... eason=2010 Thats Fielden against Griffin. If it came to it would you have Griffin or Crabtree for that "impact" prop role?'" Oooh - look at the errors again. I'm amazed you managed to win owt with these two sloppy players.

lol, fish much?



I'd trade the errors for more meters and lots more tackles.

Expensive yards over cheap ones? You've lost it mate.

England squad:
England: G Widdop (Melbourne); T Briscoe (Hull), M Shenton (Castleford), R Atkins (Warrington), R Hall (Leeds); K Brown (Huddersfield), S Tomkins (Wigan); A Morley (Warrington, capt), J Roby (St Helens), D Griffin (Huddersfield), G Ellis (Wests Tigers), S Burgess (South Sydney), S O'Loughlin (Wigan).

Subs (from): L Robinson (Huddersfield), E Crabtree (Huddersfield), J Tomkins (Wigan), B Westwood (Warrington), B Harrison (Warrington), L Cudjoe (Huddersfield).

No James Graham and Griffin starts at prop.


Tomkins at 7.


No Joel

Joel's on the bench, and Fielden only flew out y'day so was never going to play.

Always thought Tomkins would go to 7 as Browns more an out and out 6.