[size=2001[/size On your Facebook post you commented on his honesty daz.
[size=2002[/size yet part way through the season they were denying same
[size=2003[/size we don't have to, and probably won't as it appears we have been fed bullpoop
[size=2004[/size the official line that changes depending on what bullpoop they want us to believe.

hardly surprising news they were unfit!

a few of us spotted it, worries even before the season started, bemoaning brown leaving us and going to salford

anyway , old news, new man called walsh in place with a good cv so we will see

1.I commended him for his honesty on the night, in general not just on that one issue.

2.I know

3. I know, and maybe i shouldn't have worded it as i did, we dont have to believe but as that the only line coming out of the club then we're expected to.

4.I know, i agree, what the club say 'officially' and what people get told 'off the record' are different things.

I'm not defending the club here btw, it annoys me that we get fed a load of rubbish in the hope we swallow it but the true stuff comes out eventually form somewhere.

Up to now having spoken personally and generally to Rick, Chris and Luke i am more confident that things will be more honest and transparent as it will stop gossip and rumours which are read and seen by players and staff and can become off putting.

You could always try believing your eyes Daz, Gobbling up what the club puts out is the same thing as swallowing what the Bankers and politicians spew out, There is often a difference between what actually is, and what you want to believe.

I make my own opinions on what i see, those who i go to games with and know me through other areas know my thoughts on stuff.

As with everything, new players coming in, new coaches, etc i will always give everyone and everything a chance and that includes what the club tell us, i then watch and listen and decide myself if i'm satisfied with it...sometimes i am sometimes i aren't but then again as most on here and on facebook etc seem to WANT things to go wrong so they can 'be right' not many would understand about giving things time.

On here people gang up on someone if they even dare to try and go against the party line and suggest things may not be as bad as what folk are making out.
At one time you could come on here and have a laugh and a difference of opinions, it didn't matter it was forgotten about, nowadays people remember what you said from months back and throw it at you demanding you admit you were wrong or your opinion now differs from back then.

As i get to hear things and people tell me stuff i try and pass that info on unless i've been asked not to, it doesn't mean that those are my thoughts or opinions but merely informing others what could be of interest, as the bit about admitting the coach got it wrong at times last year regarding conditioning, it doesn't matter what i or Tom or Dick or Harry said or thought, it's not a challenge to see who said it was and who didn't agree it was simply pointing out something that explains some of the issues we had last year.

Some people need to lighten up, chill out and not take things written on an internet rugby forum as a challenge to their daily life or a threat to their own opinions, where has the lighthearted stuff gone off this board ? everything is just so serious these days !!!

Sorry about the rant but i get so frustrated these days seeing every opinion on something challenged by those with differing ones, nearly every thread has some 'ganging up' on someone! jeez don't waste time in your life trying to get yours over everyone, accept differences, if you can't move on ....

Fair enough Daz, I don't disagree with what you have said here, but it surely works both ways Mate, I don't understand why people get so upset and feel the need to defend the club as if their life depended on it, We are all fans, nobody has to fall out because they have different opinions.

I don't defend the club unless i think it needs defending i just choose to be careful what i put about the club in the public domain as people within the club know me and through my work with the HGSA i am on fairly decent relations with certain people which i need to keep that way.

I also have my own channels which i can make my thoughts known about certain issues and i do.


This board is/was a social place where i met and chatted to lots of new friends and we could talk about rugby without the threat of feeling at all threatened, bullied or just generally wrong due to an opinion on something. I voice my opinions on things on here and accept that people may not have the same.
People who don't know me away from here have no idea what my real thoughts are about certain things.

Fair enough mate.

Anyway back to the players, not quite the subject of Thewlis being shocked but, I am quietly confident because looking at the players we have in the squad they will be totally different players this year with some fitness, strength and conditioning behind them. In my game a fit and talented Athlete can run a 4 minute mile but that same Athlete might get round the mile in 4:30 to 4:40 with no proper training for 12 months so this fitness guy could make a massive difference to the same guys we had last year. Will see in the pre season matches what they look like so hopefully onwards and upwards for us.

Not been in this forum all that long. But, maybe the reason the forum used to be a more social place is because fans had less to moan, criticise, have an opinion on etc etc.. I think i remember maybe Phil Clarke saying over the last 3 season we have won more games than anyone else. We've been consistently good for a while... Then all of a sudden last season changed everything. If there isn't anything positive happening at the club, on the field, then it's extremely difficult for fans to be happy and positive.
It's also much easier to discuss negatives than it is positives....

Hopefully the performances this coming season can sort some of this out.

huby comments in todays examiner

'going from cas and the style there to hudds, where it was totally different, i felt i didnt have the freedom to do what i did before

hopefully i can get back to playing how i know i can.'


under andersons style of play i agree, he wasnt the same player huby, seemed to change his style, we expected to see more offloads and ball playing skills but never really happened for him

crabtree had the offloads coached out of him too

(...waits for someone to say huby still offloaded and points to his stats...)

still im glad hes gone, didnt want to be here and we dont want players like that at the club..wardle another.

Don't get this constant bad mouthing of wardle from you. Wardle did what he could with what he was given- which wasn't much- not to mention the constant switching of his playing position and his injuries. Don't see how anyone can suggest he showed indication of not wanting to be there. It's in your head- and you somehow feel peeved because he took the opportunity of a lifetime!

I agree with you Jools - not one person who is connected to the club that i've spoke to have ever suggested Joe was unhappy or wanted to leave, he left with the clubs blessing and was even allowed to discuss a move 12 months before his deal ran out to secure his future, surely Joe would have tried to instigate a move sooner if he was unhappy ?
And the people i usually speak to are usually pretty damning and honest at times.

Brearley has obviously got some kind of personal issue with Joe Wardle.

I'll second Jools on this one re Wardle

As for Huby - his lack of presence last season has a lot to do with our poor form, and even when he did play he was abysmal (I'd say he personally cost us the Leigh game with 5 hit ups and 5 errors in the opening ten mins)

Looking to offload in our own 20 when dominated after Stone moved in meant it was always going to be the parting of the ways.

no issues with wardle at all, just the fact that he went missing for two season and looked disinterested to me

came as no surprise he was leaving as to me he didnt want to be a giant

as a fan i want to see players here who want to play for the shirt

No issues just the fact he went missing for 2 seasons (all in the same sentence). Make your mind up.

It's his opinion he's entitled to it- but I just don't get how he's reached it.

If they have got a big money contract coming up they back off full contact,summat I have learned,understandably in many ways,not good for us as fans but that is the way it is.

Not picking on Fa'alogo,but his 'effort' in the semi final at Salford was the first time I knew.

im relpying to the comments that some seem to think its a personal issue with wardle and myself, not at all.

and yes he did go missing and for me it was down to him not wanting to be a giant as the main factor, proved right as he has gone.

Centre moves out it's a big big hole to fill,in terms of defence it's probably the most important consideration on d behind the pack.

It's not necessarily about him not wanting to be a giant - it's perhaps about a once in a lifetime opportunity for him and his family.
I'd probably be happy working at QEGS, but if Providence school in Barbados offered me a job I'd be off!

What about Sam Wood,do you reckon he is ready to make left centre his own now?

I do, he looked good last season against high quality opposition imo

Hu