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| Quote ="jools"5 half back pairings, 5 fullbacks, (6 after today) 3 players playing 3 positions, 3 players playing in 2 positions.
A 20 year old having played fullback, 6,7 and centre. Debuts galore.
That's not counting the in game changes when people have gone off injured.
And just TWO players playing in their same position all year.
But it's the coaches fault......'"
That is an argument I agree, but does it account for the dross that we watched for much of last year. We are sadly short of basic skills jools
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| pressure is mounting but ken davy never makes rash decisions and doesnt often sack coaches so those wanting anderson to be sacked will have a good wait
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| Quote ="jools"5 half back pairings, 5 fullbacks, (6 after today) 3 players playing 3 positions, 3 players playing in 2 positions.
A 20 year old having played fullback, 6,7 and centre. Debuts galore.
That's not counting the in game changes when people have gone off injured.
And just TWO players playing in their same position all year.
But it's the coaches fault......'"
Yup the coach who is moving players round left right and centre, dropping players who have played well with no explanations.
Yet again he doesnt fail to deliver, we sign Brierley a halfback for last 4 years and he's played twice for us, both times in different positions, today fullback where he has never played before, he drops a young kid who should be our main fullback by now with 40 odd games under his belt had Anderson not dropped him on the back of 3 very very good performances to accomodate one of our recognised names, so yup sorry dont agree with your play em they are a well known name strategy but I do blame the coach, the same one who has brought these problems on himself by dropping players who were performing!!!! Today was absolute garbage against a team losing their last 4 of 5 games following on from Catalan and Wakefield which were also garbage, If we were due to play Bradford, Leigh, Halifax, Batley or London next week to survive I would be very very worried. We dont look like a team end of
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| Quote ="FLYINGPROP"Yup the coach who is moving players round left right and centre, dropping players who have played well with no explanations.
Yet again he doesnt fail to deliver, we sign Brierley a halfback for last 4 years and he's played twice for us, both times in different positions, today fullback where he has never played before, he drops a young kid who should be our main fullback by now with 40 odd games under his belt had Anderson not dropped him on the back of 3 very very good performances to accomodate one of our recognised names, so yup sorry dont agree with your play em they are a well known name strategy but I do blame the coach, the same one who has brought these problems on himself by dropping players who were performing!!!! Today was absolute garbage against a team losing their last 4 of 5 games following on from Catalan and Wakefield which were also garbage, If we were due to play Bradford, Leigh, Halifax, Batley or London next week to survive I would be very very worried. We dont look like a team end of'"
Who has he dropped who has played better? He's moving players because we've started the season with two experienced players down unexpectedly and a plethora of injuries!
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| Quote ="Jo Jumbuck"So basically what you post comes under the " everyone has the right to their opinion category " What I post comes under the " what you are quite happy to call negative rubbish" Yet I am the one splitting the fan base.
Has it never occurred to you meast that other people might be just as fed up of hearing , all the maybe's and endless excuses that you trot out on here. Have I ever called any of your posts fanciful over optimistic rubbish, No I have often questioned your opinions, and for answers I get Maybe this ,Maybe that
As usual because I don't agree with you , I am constantly moaning, I think I am being realistic, but as far as you are concerned Its negative rubbish. and I get the " if you don't want to support us don't stuff" What comes next ? why do you come on the Forum, you aren't being forced.
For your information I have contacted the club on occasions , they haven't bothered to respond.
The weather could be worse, all the others I agree with.'"
Have you considered joining the Supporters association ? we have regular meetings with the club and they do listen and take on board what the fans are saying, we like to think we are a sounding board for the fans and if you have any ideas/thoughts etc you would be most welcome to join us in getting them through if you want the club to listen and respond etc.
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| Quote ="jools"Who has he dropped who has played better? He's moving players because we've started the season with two experienced players down unexpectedly and a plethora of injuries!'"
Experienced players or players who will give 110% for the club, know which i prefer
How far back do you want to go? Dropped Leeming and Connor in cup last year to bring Robbo and Ferres back in after injury, that ended well didnt it!!!! Did same to bring Ferres back vs Widnes away, again went well!!
Dropped Simpson last season after 3 great games to bring Grix back after injury, then trows Simpson in against Wakey when we under massive pressure, he had a mare but did we stick with him, did we bollox, if his confidence wasn't shot before it will be now.
Dropped Sam Wood after Wigan game (one of our better players on the day) to bring yet another star back into the side.
Does he learn does he knackers
Will eventually realise games aren't won on paper by having star names listed. We are bottom of league and deservedly so, only 1 man is responsible for moving players round every position trying to fit square pegs in round holes. Brierley is a 7 play him there, Simpson is a fullback play him there, Sam Wood is a centre play him there, Eorls game is to offload with 3 men tackling him, Huby's game is to offload, allow em to do it ffs not rocket science is it?
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| I don't buy the injury situation as an excuse. We started the season 4 senior players down (5 after ferres) on the year before, we were obviously light... unless Anderson is not involved in recruitment, then he's failed to forsee what we all could.
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| Anderson made a big deal of starting the season with a small squad but has overlooked the fact that should injury occur then he'd have to bring the youngsters in who are Not ready.....
Fail to prepare, prepare to fail.
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| Quote ="FLYINGPROP"Experienced players or players who will give 110% for the club, know which i prefer
How far back do you want to go? Dropped Leeming and Connor in cup last year to bring Robbo and Ferres back in after injury, that ended well didnt it!!!! Did same to bring Ferres back vs Widnes away, again went well!!
Dropped Simpson last season after 3 great games to bring Grix back after injury, then trows Simpson in against Wakey when we under massive pressure, he had a mare but did we stick with him, did we bollox, if his confidence wasn't shot before it will be now.
Dropped Sam Wood after Wigan game (one of our better players on the day) to bring yet another star back into the side.
Does he learn does he knackers
Will eventually realise games aren't won on paper by having star names listed. We are bottom of league and deservedly so, only 1 man is responsible for moving players round every position trying to fit square pegs in round holes. Brierley is a 7 play him there, Simpson is a fullback play him there, Sam Wood is a centre play him there, Eorls game is to offload with 3 men tackling him, Huby's game is to offload, allow em to do it ffs not rocket science is it?'"
So Sam wood and Simpson. So you would drop one youngster (comnor) for another (wood) and Simpson needed dropping after those shocking schoolboy errors! he needs to drop Murphy too on this years showing. dont play brierley at 7 - play him where he's been brought in to play at 1. He did a better job than Simpson! Never mind - grix will be back soon that will please you! Or hang on are you advocating changing the team around agai. For next week.......
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| Quote ="jools"So Sam wood and Simpson. So you would drop one youngster (comnor) for another (wood) and Simpson needed dropping after those shocking schoolboy errors! he needs to drop Murphy too on this years showing. dont play brierley at 7 - play him where he's been brought in to play at 1. He did a better job than Simpson! Never mind - grix will be back soon that will please you! Or hang on are you advocating changing the team around agai. For next week.......'"
See what you want to see as you always do Jools.
Brought in Brierley, played scrum half for 4 years scoring bucket loads of points but he's gonna play fullback for us.
Novel idea maybe we should sign Billy Slater to play prop or Gallen for the wing? Makes sense
Maybe in your world Anderson is above criticism cos we are 8/8 wins playing champagne rugby and sitting pretty at top of the league.
In the real world we have 2 points from 16 gained vs a very very poor Hull KR team.
Lost against Wakefield, Salford, Widnes, Catalans, Wigan, Leeds and St Helens
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| There's a lot of talk about players and positions and yes I agree we came in to the season too thin and it's cost us ,BUT I don't just think that's the whole problem, we have plenty enough Talent to compete , we just don't seem to have a game plan , the opposition seem to have us worked out , our old tricks just aren't doing it any more , time to come up with new plays and play to players strenghts . American football is all about plays and I know there 2 different games but I can't help feal we could take a leaf out of there book some times rather than the trundle up the middle hope for the best game we watch some times.
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| Quote ="FLYINGPROP"See what you want to see as you always do Jools.
Brought in Brierley, played scrum half for 4 years scoring bucket loads of points but he's gonna play fullback for us.
Novel idea maybe we should sign Billy Slater to play prop or Gallen for the wing? Makes sense
Maybe in your world Anderson is above criticism cos we are 8/8 wins playing champagne rugby and sitting pretty at top of the league.
In the real world we have 2 points from 16 gained vs a very very poor Hull KR team.
Lost against Wakefield, Salford, Widnes, Catalans, Wigan, Leeds and St Helens'"
Thanks for that flying wasn't aware we have two points. Wasn't aware those games I attended we'd lost but cheers!
Why shouldn't brierley play at FB- many Leigh fans think it would suit his game. Tomkins was a half too, oh and wasn't lomax?
Lawrence started as a winger, (then centre, then second row)so did kirmond, Leroy as a half back, Connor was a half back then full back now centre, Wardle moved into second row........
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| Quote ="jools"icon_thumb.gif Thanks for that flying wasn't aware we have two points. Wasn't aware those games I attended we'd lost but cheers!
Why shouldn't brierley play at FB- many Leigh fans think it would suit his game. Tomkins was a half too, oh and wasn't lomax?
Lawrence started as a winger, (then centre, then second row)so did kirmond, Leroy as a half back, Connor was a half back then full back now centre, Wardle moved into second row........'"
One minute you blaming us moving players from position to position for the pickle we are in next you are saying thats what we should be doing? Make your mind up.
You might not like the criticism been leveled at Anderson but thats where the buck stops, we have no idea with ball in hand, no line speed or aggression in attack, no passion, pride or will to tough it out to get the win.
You may accept 2nd best but that imo is unacceptable when wearing C&G
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Yes I'm saying having an unsettled team has affected our season.
I'm also saying Brierleys place in our team isn't necessarily the position he's always played. Please think before you try and put words in my mouth.
If this team isn't acceptable then moaning about it doesn't help- getting behind the team might- but it seems you aren't willing to put the effort in to the team you seem to believe the players need to. Talk about double standards.
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| Most leythers have always thought of Ryan more as a FB than a half , again all depends on who you have available for each position , and how long you have to integrate them
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| Quote ="jools"icon_biggrin.gifOH:
Yes I'm saying having an unsettled team has affected our season.
I'm also saying Brierleys place in our team isn't necessarily the position he's always played. Please think before you try and put words in my mouth.
If this team isn't acceptable then moaning about it doesn't help- getting behind the team might- but it seems you aren't willing to put the effort in to the team you seem to believe the players need to. Talk about double standards.'"
We all got behind the team as usual today but it doesn't look right and we don't look fit organised or to have a plan B so acceptable no it isn't but that doesn't make us less of a supporter for stating the obvious.
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| be nice to have
brough - ellis partnership back
with brierley at full back
and playing regular together
will have to wait a while yet though with ellis still 8 weeks off
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| I don't understand why people think Brierley can't/isn't a fullback?? Is it not obvious the value of having someone with good hands at fullback is? Have you forgotten about what Brett Hodgson brought to the team? Also, look at Gaz O'Brien, he has been one of Salford's best players after moving from half back to full back.
Briefly will do well at FB, he may take some time, but that will be his best position.
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| Quote ="Chetnik"I don't understand why people think Brierley can't/isn't a fullback?? Is it not obvious the value of having someone with good hands at fullback is? Have you forgotten about what Brett Hodgson brought to the team? Also, look at Gaz O'Brien, he has been one of Salford's best players after moving from half back to full back.
Briefly will do well at FB, he may take some time, but that will be his best position.'"
I can live with him at fullback, But at the Giants you have to do well in many positions. We have a very good centre who is at present being turned into a second row. If Brough stays I would see him playing alongside, We have a ready made ball playing LF in Ellis, Fullback is a position that has needed sorting for sometime, Wherever we play them they need to stay there and be given a chance, Normally when we get an injury we have a general move about to get the replacement on.
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| Quote ="Jo Jumbuck"I can live with him at fullback, But at the Giants you have to do well in many positions. We have a very good centre who is at present being turned into a second row. If Brough stays I would see him playing alongside, We have a ready made ball playing LF in Ellis, Fullback is a position that has needed sorting for sometime, Wherever we play them they need to stay there and be given a chance, Normally when we get an injury we have a general move about to get the replacement on.'"
I have to disagree with you. Assuming you mean Wardle, then I believe he is better at 2nd row with Jake Connor at centre.. Jake has great skills and I've been impressed with him this year. Wardle is tough and aggressive and has always gone good at 2nd row. Ellis is never a loose forward.. We had Chris Bailey to run a ball playing loose role and never used him! With such a light inexperienced pack, we can't be playing ball players at loose.
I know Grix gets a lot of hate, but I think we desperately need him back in the team right now. Brierleys chance will come, we just need some experience on the field
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| Quote ="Chetnik"I have to disagree with you. Assuming you mean Wardle, then I believe he is better at 2nd row with Jake Connor at centre.. Jake has great skills and I've been impressed with him this year. Wardle is tough and aggressive and has always gone good at 2nd row. Ellis is never a loose forward.. We had Chris Bailey to run a ball playing loose role and never used him! With such a light inexperienced pack, we can't be playing ball players at loose.
I know Grix gets a lot of hate, but I think we desperately need him back in the team right now. Brierleys chance will come, we just need some experience on the field'"
Yes Fair comment mate It was just an opinion, I didn't mean to say Wardle is a poor second row, and in truth there is not a lot of difference these days, Regards Ellis I take your point at the moment, but hopefully things may change soon, Many a average SO has made a good LF.
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| Quote ="Jo Jumbuck"Yes Fair comment mate It was just an opinion, I didn't mean to say Wardle is a poor second row, and in truth there is not a lot of difference these days, Regards Ellis I take your point at the moment, but hopefully things may change soon, Many a average SO has made a good LF.'"
Wardle has been a really good centre for us for a few years now. But, as a team, I think we are stronger with Connor at centre and Wardle at 2nd row... If we played with a ball playing loose, then i'm sure Ellis could do a job there.. But, we don't play like that, and haven't done for a long time now. Pretty sure Brown used to play there a fair bit... Chris Bailey was the perfect ball playing loose, but we completely wasted his talent unfortunately.
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| wardle is def a future 2nd rower, being rushed into it a little due to ferres.
if connor could improve his defence he could make the centre spot his own but isnt doing so i feel we need a new centre for next season if we have money left in the pot.
ellis is fine at stand off with brough for me, and brierley chiming in at the back but people cant be d to wait for this
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| brearley we need a centre or 2nd rower ASAP i think brierley is our new full back dont think we will see grix again . as for connor he could be a good loose forward its hard to say he as very good skill sets but lacks pace for me at centre and as you say his defence can be a bit iffy but he is still quite young its up to him like every player in every sport to do the hard work . Look at gerry he had issues a couple of years ago look at him now one of the best wings in the game
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| We sign good players and turn them into bad ones. Bailey and Broughton are two that come to mind that were never given a fair crack of the whip and in my opinion, and when they did play we never played to their strenghts. Broughton's speed was never utilised , Murphy is a good honest pro but no-one can tell me he is of super league quality? Which other team would he get into, and thats not having a bash at Murphy , its giving an opinion. Bailey was a ball playing loose forward, not, nor never would be a hooker so why play him there? Huby offloaded for fun at Cas, can probably count on two hands the offloads he's done while he's here. Its all down to the coaching and instructions given out . So with that in mind , me thinks it time to call a cab for Anderson.
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