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| Would like to see Roberts, Walne, Grix and Farrell dropped for the wire game and go:
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If Grix gets the nod over Darnell when Jerry is back - i give up
Ollie Roberts a shadow of the player he was 2 seasons ago.
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| Not sure young wardle will play but I agree with the above squad, and the comment about Roberts. Long contract syndrome appears to have set in there.
Faz doesn’t deserve to be dropped for me he’s offered more than frawley - but looks like he sustained an injury so won’t play anyway.
Walne hasn’t been terrible but you’d have taai in over him if available.
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| Walne has been good these last 2 games showed a lot more effort than most in my opinion
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| Quote ="Joehudds"Walne has been good these last 2 games showed a lot more effort than most in my opinion'"
Agree - he's been far from terrible.
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| Impressively physical by you lot, I thought. Not too many sides go over there and better them at the rough stuff. I'd be encouraged at any rate, given the number of absentees.
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| showed lots of effort and commitment early on and deserved to take the lead but lost our way at catalans got on top
some poor defending by grix but used to that one on one
mcintosh showed some good things, look forward to seeing him back at full back
the game seemed to take an age , is there no shot clock on france?!
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| getting gaskell back will certainly help
shame clough isnt around, i think if we play english every week like we are he will get burned out, too young at mo to be taking the hits he does the way he plays every week will certainly need a break at some point during the season
loved the big hits by wardle and murphy!
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| Quote ="jools"Not sure young wardle will play but I agree with the above squad, and the comment about Roberts. Long contract syndrome appears to have set in there.
Faz doesn’t deserve to be dropped for me he’s offered more than frawley - but looks like he sustained an injury so won’t play anyway.
Walne hasn’t been terrible but you’d have taai in over him if available.'"
Im led to believe he would have started the season in the centres and kicking if it wasnt for the niggle. Hes back fit for the Warrington game so id throw him in. Get Joe wardle in the 2nd row and drop Ollie Roberts who has been dire for too long now.
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| Quote ="GiantJake1988"Im led to believe he would have started the season in the centres and kicking if it wasnt for the niggle. Hes back fit for the Warrington game so id throw him in. Get Joe wardle in the 2nd row and drop Ollie Roberts who has been dire for too long now.'"
Good news if wardle is fit- I thought it was a longer term issue so be great to get him in alongside his brother.
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| was the shot clock in use?
game seemed to go on for an age
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| Quote ="jools"Not sure young wardle will play but I agree with the above squad, and the comment about Roberts. Long contract syndrome appears to have set in there.
Faz doesn’t deserve to be dropped for me he’s offered more than frawley - but looks like he sustained an injury so won’t play anyway.
Walne hasn’t been terrible but you’d have taai in over him if available.'"
Farrell 2 games, 0 carries , 0 metres, bag Frawley as he’s expected to do more but faz isn’t a threat to the line he’s catching and tipping on
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| Jools surely doesn't like Frawley. He's not the distributor we need, but he's the only one who has broken the line in the two games we have played. Hes a line running HB and a pretty good one from what i've seen so far.
Problem is we have no ball handlers in the team. Can't really blame Woolford as losing Brough was 100% the right move as is being proved with his 2 sin binnings in 2 for Wakefield, and he tried for Hastings and others but couldn't get them. Good teams have 4 or 5 who can distribute and make a missout pass etc. We have .. none. Sicknote gaskell isn't the answer, we badly need a half to partner Frawley who can pass and create chances.
We don't have distributors in any of the other key positions, Full back, i like Macintosh a lot but hes a long way from chiming into the line and passing. Lawrence at loose is another mistake, he can't pass to save his life, and O'Brien is more of a running hooker than a distributor.
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| Quote ="jools"Good news if wardle is fit- I thought it was a longer term issue so be great to get him in alongside his brother.'"
Im only going by what DJ said on another post, you might be right......is it his knee again?
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| Quote ="djhudds"Farrell 2 games, 0 carries , 0 metres, bag Frawley as he’s expected to do more but faz isn’t a threat to the line he’s catching and tipping on'"
So he’s doing his job- passing the ball? Just like AOB. Who only had 1 carry. But one of his “tipping on” resulted in a try.
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| Quote ="Hangerman2"Jools surely doesn't like Frawley. He's not the distributor we need, but he's the only one who has broken the line in the two games we have played. Hes a line running HB and a pretty good one from what i've seen so far.
Problem is we have no ball handlers in the team. Can't really blame Woolford as losing Brough was 100% the right move as is being proved with his 2 sin binnings in 2 for Wakefield, and he tried for Hastings and others but couldn't get them. Good teams have 4 or 5 who can distribute and make a missout pass etc. We have .. none. Sicknote gaskell isn't the answer, we badly need a half to partner Frawley who can pass and create chances.
We don't have distributors in any of the other key positions, Full back, i like Macintosh a lot but hes a long way from chiming into the line and passing. Lawrence at loose is another mistake, he can't pass to save his life, and O'Brien is more of a running hooker than a distributor.'"
Good job Tom Holmes will be fit soon then.....
No I don’t like frawley, his long range kicking game isn’t good enough, he’s passive and quiet and you don’t Notice he’s there at all. He doesn’t control the game or the team-and that’s what your Half is supposed to do- and as someone from Aus came on here and warned us he’s not seeming the right man for the job. If he proves me wrong later then great but he’s not impressed so far.
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| A hooker who has no caries isn’t great, a half back with 0 carries isn’t good either,
Take your newsome hat off for a minute and think was just catching and passing enough? You quote stats all the time so if a half back who didn’t play at newsome had those stats would you defend him
Jacob Truman last game v hull 12 carries 88m
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| Thought Darnell was outstanding, I actually think he saved the try where he scooped the ball away but given on the field and not enough to prove otherwise.
The track back was outstandint, he was unlucky with the break against Tomkins, I have no idea how dragging someone's feet when the tackle is complete is legal. And thought he looked class when he switched to fullback.
Any news on Izaac? Looked potentially season ending unfortunately
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| pointless debate on farrell as we wont see him again this season.
gaskell will be back and hes not a sick note, look how many games he played for us last season, more than most
see frawley and uate are the scapegoats for jools already not given them much chance.
frawley like other poster says is a ball runner and has made some good breaks so far, let him partner with gaskell as was planned pre season, they were going well in the friendlies...
be good to see mcintosh back at full back too and mcgillvary... all in time, hopefully v warrington
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| Quote ="GIANTSRL"pointless debate on farrell as we wont see him again this season.
gaskell will be back and hes not a sick note, look how many games he played for us last season, more than most
see frawley and uate are the scapegoats for jools already not given them much chance.
frawley like other poster says is a ball runner and has made some good breaks so far, let him partner with gaskell as was planned pre season, they were going well in the friendlies...
be good to see mcintosh back at full back too and mcgillvary... all in time, hopefully v warrington'" Faz not as bad as first thought.
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| Quote ="bilko1941"Faz not as bad as first thought.'"
thats good news!
still he will be behind gaskell who will be back next game. also holmes be on the horizon too soon.. russell would have been playing but hes at leigh for now
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| Quote ="djhudds"A hooker who has no caries isn’t great, a half back with 0 carries isn’t good either,
Take your newsome hat off for a minute and think was just catching and passing enough? You quote stats all the time so if a half back who didn’t play at newsome had those stats would you defend him
Jacob Truman last game v hull 12 carries 88m'"
So if Frawley is a line runner could Izaacs job be distributor.....I’ve no idea what his instructions were last week but woolford seemed happy with his performance so it suggests he did as asked- he didn’t play a full game this week. Woolford hasn’t commented on frawleys performance either way - so who knows if he’s doing as expected.
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| Quote ="HuddsRL5"Thought Darnell was outstanding, I actually think he saved the try where he scooped the ball away but given on the field and not enough to prove otherwise.
The track back was outstandint, he was unlucky with the break against Tomkins, I have no idea how dragging someone's feet when the tackle is complete is legal. And thought he looked class when he switched to fullback.
Any news on Izaac? Looked potentially season ending unfortunately'"
Think we had a few bad calls in the match. As you say, it should have been a penalty when McIntosh had his legs pushed out after the tackle was complete, that would have given us good field position. Also Cats were lucky for the second try from the video ref. I`ve no complaints about getting penalized for laying on, but the number of times we got pulled and Cats didn`t for the same thing at times. An unfair penalty count 10 - 4 a bit lop-sided especially when he gave us 3 in the last few minutes just to even it up a bit (too late).
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| Quote ="Giantscorpio"Think we had a few bad calls in the match. As you say, it should have been a penalty when McIntosh had his legs pushed out after the tackle was complete, that would have given us good field position. Also Cats were lucky for the second try from the video ref. I`ve no complaints about getting penalized for laying on, but the number of times we got pulled and Cats didn`t for the same thing at times. An unfair penalty count 10 - 4 a bit lop-sided especially when he gave us 3 in the last few minutes just to even it up a bit (too late).'"
pen count 10 - 1 in catalans favour? upto the last few mins.. seems unfair for sure but we never get on the right side of the pen count at hudds
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| If we don’t infringe we aren’t as likely to get penalised.
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| Fair point Jools - but a lot of times the opposition aren't Saints !
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