Not sure on this one. Don’t see we are getting g the better deal. Wire fans have been slating king this year.
Can only imagine wardle wants more game time and isnt happy about not getting it.
Talk at wigan he’s moving on there next season.
A loss if so but if his attitude is not right then we know how Watson works and will want to move him out.
Ashworth Roberts and now wardle. Hmmm.
Just hope leutele is staying!

Wardle always had that potential but feel we're still waiting to see it. This year leutele and cudjoe have been ahead of him. If he gets a decent run I'm sure he'll develop into the player he can become. Can't blame him moving on if that's the case.

Regarding Toby King, before he resigned with wire he was a very good player. If anyone can get the best from him it's Watto. Maybe a fresh start is what King needs.

Very sad to see Wardle go, but if he's not happy here then so be it.

On the other hand - welcome home Toby King.

Here's a lad who cheered Fartown on (in full replica kit) from being a youngster. Claret & Gold in his blood and I think we will be seeing that in his performances!

Toby King from the limited views this season has been very poor. Maybe a new coach can unlock his undoubted talent.

I think people read more into this than there actually is with some suggesting there must have been a fall out. Wardle played for England last week. Shaun Wane said afterwards he needed to be playing regular rugby at centre to get into the World Cup squad. His agent/advisors probably brought this up with the Giants. They are clearly not in a position to promise this. Therefore to keep his World Cup hopes alive he probably asks for the move. The club hardly stand n his way and if they can get a quality replacement in return everyone benefits.
I also think King will go very well under Watson. He is more of an attacking threat than Cudjoe and just as good in defence so has a real chance of displacing him in the starting 13.

I'm not sure how 'available' he actually was for the CC final, but i would imagine that him not being picked for it had a large bearing on his decision. He is no doubt thinking that if he is good enough for England, how can he not be good enough to play as first choice at club level. Personally i would have put him in this year over Cudjoe simply because he is the future, but i understand that sends a bad message to the team. A fully fit Wardle who can string a long set of games together is an absolute asset, sadly he has been very injury prone throughout his career and continues to be so. If he stays injury free at Wire it will look like a bad decision, but he could continue being in and out with injuries and not play much and it will look like a good one. Time will tell.

I hope a move home is a catalyst for Toby King to realise his undoubted potential, i do think he is a good fit for Watson's style. Will he play centre or Second Row? I am more excited about him than Jake Bibby to be honest.

With leutele going off injured in the game against KR it looks like king may well get a chance as early as next week against castleford!
I agree he’s a more interesting choice than bibby.

Not really sure what has happened to TK and as people have said on here and on the Wire forum, since he signed his new contract his form has nose dived. Prior to that he was in pretty decent form and nudging a GB squad spot. Hopefully for his sake Watson can find a way to unlock that potential and get him playing again. The rumour mill would suggest that we only have Wardle until the end of the season if he is going to Wigan but that might be enough games to get him in the GB squad which I assume must be his target.
Wishing Toby all the best with the Giants.

What's the general feeling on Toby King now he is a few games in?

From a Wire perspective Wardle has been found out a couple of times in terms of his defensive positioning, but in terms of attack seems much more dangerous and a more classic centre to King with good pace and hands.

I'm hoping we can make the deal a permanent one, but Wigan fans seem quite sure Wardle has signed for them in 2023...

For my money I wouldnt have King within yards of our team. The quicker he goes back to Warrington the better for me. Don't know what will happen to Jake though , there is talk of him going to Wigan but we shall see. I am just happy that Leutele has been named in the squad for Thursday and he plays instead of King.

Wardle is contracted to Huddersfield for 2023. I can’t see wigan paying a fee for him as that’s not how they usually do things. But who knows.
With leutele confirming he’s definitely not staying there’s possibly a spot for wardle- if he’s prepared to fight for it. He didn’t seem to want to previously but let’s see if he thinks the grass is greener.
King hasn’t really impressed at centre- and actually I think his form has impacted on Innes who appears to have no confidence in him either.
I certainly wouldn’t be looking at taking him off Warringtons hands.

King has been very poor, he has given away a lot of tries with very poor one v one tackling and bad reads in defence. In attack he is very pedestrian, and only shines under the high ball, would definitely not look to be signing him long term if i were Watson.

Better game on the right inside Leroy for Toby tonight

has leutele said he's not staying i don't think that is true its his agent that is the stumbling block and wants him to leave he and his wife are pretty happy to stay here they both like it so who knows from aq good source

Leutele was given a deadline to confirm he was staying and that deadline has now passed. The club are therefore looking elsewhere. If he does want to stay it may be too late, or if not he may now have to take less money. He’s obviously not that desperate to stay or he would have said so before the deadline.

He confirmed on sky on thursday that he's not ataying

Toby King has signed for Wigan on a season long loan for the 2023 season.

Thank f*** for that.

Well that one came out of the blue!
Does this mean the Bibby & Marsters deals are complete now?

Not too enthusiastic about the bibby deal. Massive step down from what we have in leutele and wardle.
If wardle goes to wigan I will not be happy. Shows poor form. I know it’s a short career etc, etc, but we took a gamble on the lad, looked after him when he was out for two years, and gave him a contract after getting nothing in return. Least we can expect is for the player to see out the contract to the end before signing elsewhere.
pryce for instance is doing the decent thing in that regard.

Yes, the Bibby and Livett deals fail to push any buttons for me also - but trust in Watson we must!
I think these young lads, like Wardle, just get their heads turned by agents. They see the big money, but not the bigger picture.
But you're right, if you contrast what Wardle seems to be willing to do with what Leroy has done since his injury - absolute poles apart.
Leroy's answer to only playing a handful of games (while on massive money), was to come back on something like 50% and repay the club, by putting in a massive shift - week in week out.
Let's hope that some of these exciting young players coming through will develop the same ethos.

Watson seems to be saying that recruitment for next year is complete and he is happy with what the team will look like, I think we are at least a winger and halfback short of challenging for honours. Assuming Wardle is going elsewhere, who would you recruit to complete the team? In a dream scenario (and not to break the bank) i would love to see:

1) Lewis Murphy to partner Jerry on the wings with Innes as cover
2) Brodie Croft as a running half to partner Fages with Russell as cover

Couldn't better that to be honest.
Lewis Murphy has an incredible strike rate, especially for a player in a struggling team.
And Brodie Croft? We'd be talking the Wally Gibson / Deano / Broughy effect on our team and pushing Saints all the way.
All in good time I'm hoping!

Murphy may well come home yet.

Can’t see him staying at Wakefield for long. He must already have clubs sniffing round. At least he’s another one that looks to be seeing out his current contract!!!
Maybe when pryce goes end of next year we may look at a player like Croft. Be good to unearth one of our own!

Murphy has 18 try’s in 17 games