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| Please no Rapira at 13.
If you must put a prop in there it needs to be taai.
We need a much better last play option on Friday that's for sure.
You just know grix is going to get "broughed" all night!
We need to get ikahihifo to run at little woody (sorry woody- nothing personal )
Bet Huby has his best game ever at the JSS too.
Do we stick with the same team?
Do we put Darnell in at FB and Gaskell at centre- mellor looked good going forward but less so defensively.
Do we give orsmby a go? Or smith/mason
(mellor has just had a new tattoo- silly thing to do st season start- remember when griffins got infected?!?!)
Wakey have a big pack so I'd get mason in there personally.
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| Ormsby to replace Smurph? why,What about the right edge defence? any changes there? them living on past glories now or what.
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| Quote ="jools"Please no Rapira at 13.
If you must put a prop in there it needs to be taai.
We need a much better last play option on Friday that's for sure.
You just know grix is going to get "broughed" all night!
We need to get ikahihifo to run at little woody (sorry woody- nothing personal
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Bet Huby has his best game ever at the JSS too.
Do we stick with the same team?
Do we put Darnell in at FB and Gaskell at centre- mellor looked good going forward but less so defensively.
Do we give orsmby a go? Or smith/mason
(mellor has just had a new tattoo- silly thing to do st season start- remember when griffins got infected?!?!)
You sure your talking about Mellor and not Mcgilvary.
Wakey have a big pack so I'd get mason in there personally.'"
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| Well that's not got any better either jo.
Wire have just shown what you can do with a 100% completion rate! Hope stone rams that home.
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| Quote ="jools"Please no Rapira at 13.
If you must put a prop in there it needs to be taai.
We need a much better last play option on Friday that's for sure.
You just know grix is going to get "broughed" all night!
We need to get ikahihifo to run at little woody (sorry woody- nothing personal
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Bet Huby has his best game ever at the JSS too.
Do we stick with the same team?
Do we put Darnell in at FB and Gaskell at centre- mellor looked good going forward but less so defensively.
Do we give orsmby a go? Or smith/mason
(mellor has just had a new tattoo- silly thing to do st season start- remember when griffins got infected?!?!)
Wakey have a big pack so I'd get mason in there personally.'"
changing full back gaskell has done well and will only get better the more he plays
mellor had a good game too at centre so leave those two well alone
i agree about rapira though, no way should he be playing loose, looked lost! stick him on the bench to interchange with the two beasts ikahihifo and taai.
need to set the record straight with wakefield and get back to beating them on a regular basis
first friday night game, hope for a decent crowd again over 6k and a win will get us back on track!
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| Don't think i've seen much wrong from the team so far so no need for changes for changes sake.
Only thing i'd suggest is leaving either Ukuma or Seb on the bench to keep some momentum going when the inevitable changes happen and we lose control, and shifting Rapira from LF.
Apart from that i'd leave it alone, one thing we lacked last year was cohesion and changing a team because we lost won't help this, sometimes other teams play better than us as was the case on Thursday.
It's still early doors and way too early to be writing partnerships/players off in my opinion.
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| I saw plenty wrong in defence!
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| So did i, a lack of effort, but changing players doesn't guarantee that won't happen next time either.
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| Should be a very good game, you look fitter than last year and have a bit more about you in attack.
Apart from against us, good luck for the season
Wakefield likely
Scott Grix
Tom Johnson
Bill Tupou
Reece Lyne
Ben Jones Bishop
Jacob Miller
Sam Williams
Anthony England
Kyle Wood
David Fifita
Danny Kirmond
Matty Ashurst
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| Quote ="jools"I saw plenty wrong in defence!'"
Absolutely right jools, there is a lot of improving to do in that dept, But being honest it is just about what i have been expecting, I'm fighting the urge to start expecting massive improvements from them, I will be satisfied to scrape into the 8.
Stone said it would take a couple of years and i agree but there are some good signs as well as some mixed ones.
Gaskell for example looked to have a decent game, but you could fault his positioning on occasions and his lack of pace," or effort to run faster", I'm not too sure why he looked so slow but if he is planned as our fullback he will definitely be in the Wellens style rather than the Prescott one, although Wellens positioning was always first class.
I think it will be a week or two before Stone himself knows what players and style he is going for and what players he is putting where, For me LF just screams out for Hinchcliffe and Lawrence, and Leeming is capable of playing a lot longer. Breirley unless we play to his strengths is a waste of a place, he is never going to create things, and Murphy " like a lot of players we got rid of" is past the standard of taking us forward. I know he is a steady player who rarely lets us down, but we are rebuilding we need to be looking higher, Now is the time to be seeing what every one has to offer, That will take time and will cost games, which wont suit plenty on this board.
Lets see what happens this week, I think we will do well to get the points off Wakey, I'm not in the Wakey are a poor side camp, I think they are going to surprise a few teams, I hope we aren't one of them.
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| we need to be getting our home fortress back, was shot to pieces last season and not got off to a good start in 2017
we hardly used to lose a game at home!
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| This will upset a few but brierley just isnt good enough for me leaves brough with too much to do in attack and defensively hes like a revolving door. his support play is good when we make a break but thats about it. Personally dont think hes got the skill level needed for super league level.
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| Does brierley leave brough with too much to do- Or is it just that brough takes over? Brierley isn't really being given an opportunity to do much- just like Ellis wasn't. Ellis seems to be pulling the strings nicely and is leading with a very good kicking game at KR. Something he wasn't given much opportunity to do with us.
Brierley didn't miss a tackle on Thursday night and I can't say I've noticed him revolving - It's our right side edge of magilvary whos the revolver. Everyone keeps blaming his inside men but I'm not convinced- seems to me hes being wrong footed with the inside switch, he's been found out and every team is now utilising it and coming up trumps. I can't recall a competitive game where we haven't conceded down that side recently.
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| Quote ="rounding92"This will upset a few but brierley just isnt good enough for me leaves brough with too much to do in attack and defensively hes like a revolving door. his support play is good when we make a break but thats about it. Personally dont think hes got the skill level needed for super league level.'"
just said elsewhere when mamo is back its possible gaskell could push brierley out
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| Quote ="jools"Does brierley leave brough with too much to do- Or is it just that brough takes over? Brierley isn't really being given an opportunity to do much- just like Ellis wasn't. Ellis seems to be pulling the strings nicely and is leading with a very good kicking game at KR. Something he wasn't given much opportunity to do with us.
Brierley didn't miss a tackle on Thursday night and I can't say I've noticed him revolving - It's our right side edge of magilvary whos the revolver. Everyone keeps blaming his inside men but I'm not convinced- seems to me hes being wrong footed with the inside switch, he's been found out and every team is now utilising it and coming up trumps. I can't recall a competitive game where we haven't conceded down that side recently.'"
Agree. I've seen nothing particularly wrong with Brierley in defence, also spot on with Mcgilvary.
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| One of the more intriguing games of the round IMO and one that's not easy to call. Opinion pretty much split on the prediction thread on the Leeds board. An important win for someone, I reckon you'll just have the edge.
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| Quote ="brearley84"just said elsewhere when mamo is back its possible gaskell could push brierley out'"
can see that happening my self to be honest
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| Quote ="jools"Does brierley leave brough with too much to do- Or is it just that brough takes over? Brierley isn't really being given an opportunity to do much- just like Ellis wasn't. Ellis seems to be pulling the strings nicely and is leading with a very good kicking game at KR. Something he wasn't given much opportunity to do with us.
Brierley didn't miss a tackle on Thursday night and I can't say I've noticed him revolving - It's our right side edge of magilvary whos the revolver. Everyone keeps blaming his inside men but I'm not convinced- seems to me hes being wrong footed with the inside switch, he's been found out and every team is now utilising it and coming up trumps. I can't recall a competitive game where we haven't conceded down that side recently.'"
poos his pants everytime a second rower runs at him
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| it was leroy at fault this week for 2 trys . i have said we are short at HB but i think its to early to call Brierley for me the problem is the back row there was nothing for either HB to work with . but it is still early days our best back row out for weeks is a major blow time for someone else to step up to the plate
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| Quote ="40 year old giant"it was leroy at fault this week for 2 trys . i have said we are short at HB but i think its to early to call Brierley for me the problem is the back row there was nothing for either HB to work with . but it is still early days our best back row out for weeks is a major blow time for someone else to step up to the plate'"
We failed to take advantage when we were on top we should have been at least 10-2 up when Salford scored.
When we came right hand side early in the game Lawrence got in the way he either needs to relearn how to run a line or join a line and pass all he does is drive it in head down. Ukuma showed him how to do that in the second half.
We made more metres, similar clean breaks less tackles we had 14 (84 tackles) sets more possession than Salford and yet we conceded that sloppy Johnson try near the end through woeful tackling when Salford should have been tired not us.
For me the pack should be
Ikihihifo Leeming Rapira
Ta'ai Lawrence or Ferguson
Hinchcliffe
Bench
Mason, Clough, Wakeman Smith
Roberts has shown nothing first two games so Smith should get a chance and we can't afford both our runners in the middle hence Ta'ai in the second row. Wakeman needs the game time.
Tommy Symonds is a massive miss he opens up the right hand side as he can drive in or pass and nip in at dummy half now and again.
Several of our forwards need to put their hand up big time on Friday night and sharpen up in the defensive rucks, as does the revolving door that's our right wing combination and it would be nice to have our fastest man backing up instead of trying to be a second playmaker all the time....
We are good enough if we can get it right !!!
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| Hinchcliffe needs to be kept away from hooking. You looked far better with Leeming on, although his passing left a little to be desired
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| Quote ="40 year old giant"it was leroy at fault this week for 2 trys . i have said we are short at HB but i think its to early to call Brierley for me the problem is the back row there was nothing for either HB to work with . but it is still early days our best back row out for weeks is a major blow time for someone else to step up to the plate'"
The first try possibly but wich of the others. None of them were scored down his side.
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| Quote ="fartown since 1961"We failed to take advantage when we were on top we should have been at least 10-2 up when Salford scored.
When we came right hand side early in the game Lawrence got in the way he either needs to relearn how to run a line or join a line and pass all he does is drive it in head down. Ukuma showed him how to do that in the second half.
We made more metres, similar clean breaks less tackles we had 14 (84 tackles) sets more possession than Salford and yet we conceded that sloppy Johnson try near the end through woeful tackling when Salford should have been tired not us.
For me the pack should be
Ikihihifo Leeming Rapira
Ta'ai Lawrence or Ferguson
Hinchcliffe
Bench
Mason, Clough, Wakeman Smith
Roberts has shown nothing first two games so Smith should get a chance and we can't afford both our runners in the middle hence Ta'ai in the second row. Wakeman needs the game time.
Tommy Symonds is a massive miss he opens up the right hand side as he can drive in or pass and nip in at dummy half now and again.
Several of our forwards need to put their hand up big time on Friday night and sharpen up in the defensive rucks, as does the revolving door that's our right wing combination and it would be nice to have our fastest man backing up instead of trying to be a second playmaker all the time....
We are good enough if we can get it right !!!'"
Roberts has shown nothing and Rapira has????
Rapira should be nowhere near the team on last weeks showing - get him fit first. For mine Smith and Mason should be in for Wakeman and Rapira whom should both be on fitness catch up work until ready.
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| stella first 2 and brough for the 3rd all got done when obrian came into the line . i could be tempted to move bruno to prop he does hard work in D and drives the ball in . bring mason and smith in for wakeman and repaira not fit but play smith in the back row if what some people have been saying his ball skill have impressed stone maybe its the answer .shame we dont have 2 taais
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