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| is it going to be fielden??
is it going to be kopzchak??
both??
and of the above and i will be pleased
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| i just hope that fielden would be on a pay per game type of contract..he aint played many games recently due to injury and its a big gamble getting him for 2 years.
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| Quote ="adelaide-giant.no9"i just hope that fielden would be on a pay per game type of contract..he aint played many games recently due to injury and its a big gamble getting him for 2 years.'"
True, but the other perspective is that with Eorl, Mason, Kopczak, Mulally and Larne that is six props, he can be used sparingly a la Brett Hodgeson at Wire. 15-20 games a season of 30 minutes spelling Eorl (to make sure no repeat of this season when pack fell apart every time Eorl came off), that could be very good.
With LOD, Ta'ai, Chan, Ferres, Bruno, Fergy in the back row I think I can envisage a big dominant pack. Fooey run on hooker and Robbo creating havoc off the bench, the potential is there to smash teams up front, quite a change from last season.
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| Quote ="GiantDee"True, but the other perspective is that with Eorl, Mason, Kopczak, Mulally and =#FF0000Larne that is six props, he can be used sparingly a la Brett Hodgeson at Wire. 15-20 games a season of 30 minutes spelling Eorl (to make sure no repeat of this season when pack fell apart every time Eorl came off), that could be very good.
With LOD, Ta'ai, Chan, Ferres, Bruno, Fergy in the back row I think I can envisage a big dominant pack. Fooey run on hooker and Robbo creating havoc off the bench, the potential is there to smash teams up front, quite a change from last season.'"
Larne is not a prop. Maybe if the fans stop saying it the coaching team will
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| Larne has played far far more first grade at prop than in second row, he has also been selected for England Knights as a prop. I agree he is not a run on prop, but he has been very effective as an impact prop playing short stints.
Only my opinion, but I think he would be higher up the pecking order as a prop than as a second row. He may be a reluctant prop but he has proven very effective there.
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| Quote ="GiantDee"True, but the other perspective is that with Eorl, Mason, Kopczak, Mulally and Larne that is six props, he can be used sparingly a la Brett Hodgeson at Wire. 15-20 games a season of 30 minutes spelling Eorl (to make sure no repeat of this season when pack fell apart every time Eorl came off), that could be very good.
With LOD, Ta'ai, Chan, Ferres, Bruno, Fergy in the back row I think I can envisage a big dominant pack. Fooey run on hooker and Robbo creating havoc off the bench, the potential is there to smash teams up front, quite a change from last season.'"
You've missed out Fairbanks! Just hope he doesn't get pushed down the pecking order too much -already proved he's got what it takes!
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| Quote ="GiantDee"Larne has played far far more first grade at prop than in second row, he has also been selected for England Knights as a prop. I agree he is not a run on prop, but he has been very effective as an impact prop playing short stints.
Only my opinion, but I think he would be higher up the pecking order as a prop than as a second row. He may be a reluctant prop but he has proven very effective there.'"
must have been watching a different Giants to me then, he has looked a complete lightweight at prop against good teams.
No doubt he will look great against Ireland amateurs and Scotland championship players this autumn and everyone will hail him as the saviour of the Giants pack.
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| Durham he's struggled with injury since round 1. If he's used correctly he will be carving up defences this season and skipping past tomkins again.
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| Quote ="jools"Durham he's struggled with injury since round 1. If he's used correctly he will be carving up defences this season and skipping past tomkins again.'"
But he will be dancing around no one if he spends all his time charging down the middle and being hit by bigger props in the same way that Robbo gets hammered and is less effective when he starts . I would much rather see him playing wider like a second row, using his speed and sidestep and really hurting teams who are trying to hide their halves etc out wide. He is smaller than Trent Waterhouse and look at the impact he has had for wire.
Chan and Patrick at second row with LOD at loose would be a great combo for me.
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| Agree with Durham, Larne could be a devastating back rower. No need for him to be a prop now we've actually bought some more.
Also, jools makes a very good point re: Fairbanks. Hope he doesn't drop off the radar now.
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| Patrick has withdrawn from the Knights squad so he won't be dancing around anyone on the pitch until next season.
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| Quote ="adelaide-giant.no9"i just hope that fielden would be on a pay per game type of contract..he aint played many games recently due to injury and its a big gamble getting him for 2 years.'"
To be honest it is no ones business what sort of contract he is on and I think it is a bit disrespectful to both Fielden and Anderson to suggest such a thing is necessary, if there were doubts on our part we should not be signing him but as we have hopefully we believe in him fully and are taking him onboard as we would any other player.
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| Quote ="GiantDee"True, but the other perspective is that with Eorl, Mason, Kopczak, Mulally and Larne that is six props, he can be used sparingly a la Brett Hodgeson at Wire. 15-20 games a season of 30 minutes spelling Eorl (to make sure no repeat of this season when pack fell apart every time Eorl came off), that could be very good.
With LOD, Ta'ai, Chan, Ferres, Bruno, Fergy in the back row I think I can envisage a big dominant pack. Fooey run on hooker and Robbo creating havoc off the bench, the potential is there to smash teams up front, quite a change from last season.'"
spot on!
morley is still playing in finals at 35... fielden is 33
fielden also played v saints not so many weeks ago in the final league game of season
widnes were in for him and a few others, seems hes coming to the giants for the right reasons...not for money
he brings bags of experience and leadership, which will bring the youngsters on, anderson said experience is needed now for this team
good signing!!! before his injuries with wigan he was having a storming season (the one when mason stood on his leg)
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| on patrick im not sure which will be his best postition... good impact prop when FIT
seen him a few times at second row and think to myself this will be good but he just becomes invisible and doesnt do anything so may be best to stick with the impact prop and stay FIT
chan,odonnell and ferres is better in second row for me
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| Tbh I think ferres was a waste of money- I'd rather have LOD, Bruno or Fairbanks in front of him at loose. (Or fooey if hes not hooking) We also have chan id rather have in second row- taai- yet an unknown, ferguson - on a par with ferres last season. Sea a bit surplus now- perhaps if we'd saved our cash we might have had a bit more to entice a halfback
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| Quote ="jools"Tbh I think ferres was a waste of money- I'd rather have LOD, Bruno or Fairbanks in front of him at loose. (Or fooey if hes not hooking) We also have chan id rather have in second row- taai- yet an unknown, ferguson - on a par with ferres last season. Sea a bit surplus now- perhaps if we'd saved our cash we might have had a bit more to entice a halfback'"
ferres really impressed me at the back end of last season... big unit..a couple of lapses in defence but he hadnt been with us long and with a full pre season he should go very well next year
anderson is a big fan of him too so expect to see him start when he fit to play.
durham says he wants odonnell at loose, but on other pages faiumu at loose, make your mind up durham
ferres, chan, odonnell for me... taai on bench as impact player (dont know much about him yet though) ooooh the options!
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| Quote ="brearley84"icon_eek.gif ferres really impressed me at the back end of last season... big unit..a couple of lapses in defence but he hadnt been with us long and with a full pre season he should go very well next year
anderson is a big fan of him too so expect to see him start when he fit to play.
=#FF0000durham says he wants odonnell at loose, but on other pages faiumu at loose, make your mind up durham
ferres, chan, odonnell for me... taai on bench as impact player (dont know much about him yet though) ooooh the options!
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LOD at loose and then use faiumu off the bench to run at tired forwards and get his offloads going.
LoD is not a playmaker he will be playing like a third prop which is what the Aussies have done for a while or like Bailey played for Leeds in the second half of last season.
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| I like that plan a lot
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| Very surprised by the negative Ferres comment. He is a tough, aggressive player who offers plenty in attack - as evidenced by the Leeds game.
Even ignoring his excellent second 40 against Leeds, why would anyone be so quick to write a player off who joined late-season and consequently has only played a handful of games for us?
Lawrence and Fairbank are hard workers and can play an important role, but their attacking options are limited and IMO do not compare to Ferres'. Faribank is a real grafter and will tackle anything but Ferres provides us with more options going forward.
Ball in hand, there is no comparison between Ferres and Lawrence/Fairbank.
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| Ferres has played well for us so far. Should be even better with a full pre season under his belt.
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| Quote ="no fear"Very surprised by the negative Ferres comment. He is a tough, aggressive player who offers plenty in attack - as evidenced by the Leeds game.
Even ignoring his excellent second 40 against Leeds, why would anyone be so quick to write a player off who joined late-season and consequently has only played a handful of games for us?
Lawrence and Fairbank are hard workers and can play an important role, but their attacking options are limited and IMO do not compare to Ferres'. Faribank is a real grafter and will tackle anything but Ferres provides us with more options going forward.
Ball in hand, there is no comparison between Ferres and Lawrence/Fairbank.'"
I'm not writing off ferres at all- I just think we now seem to have do many players who can play that role just as well or better that we could have used the money to get a top class HB.
For me the loose forward needs to be defensively sound to help out the halves-we now seem to have plenty of aggressive go forward elsewhere - we don't want all our players with the same strengths (and weaknesses) a player with a bit of pace like Bruno will bring an extra dimension to our attack up the middle for me instead of just trying to bash up the middle.
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| Ferres can play loose, but I suspect will mainly be used at left second row. LOD at loose and Chan at right second row. Ta'ai off bench with Fergy and Fairbank pushing for places. Bruno could be back to centre or even wing
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| Quote ="no fear"Very surprised by the negative Ferres comment. He is a tough, aggressive player who offers plenty in attack - as evidenced by the Leeds game.
Even ignoring his excellent second 40 against Leeds, why would anyone be so quick to write a player off who joined late-season and consequently has only played a handful of games for us?
Lawrence and Fairbank are hard workers and can play an important role, but their attacking options are limited and IMO do not compare to Ferres'. Faribank is a real grafter and will tackle anything but Ferres provides us with more options going forward.
Ball in hand, there is no comparison between Ferres and Lawrence/Fairbank.'"
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| Ferres impressed me in the few games he played so i'm looking forward to seeing him with a full pre-season and as a bedded in member of the squad next year.
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