what a bunch of arrogant W*******. Check out this thread on how their ex wigan players are no better than who they have now viewtopic.php? ... sc&start=0 Also how their squad matches up to ours Quote andyed-wiganrl wrote Comparing the two semi final line ups - B. Hodgson > Phelps Cudjoe < Richards Lolesi < Carmont Whaturia < Gleeson D. Hodgson, = Roberts Brown < Tomkins. Robinson <Leuleui> Prescott Moore = Riddell Griffin < Coley Wild < Bailey Fulton < Hansen Faiumu <Oloughlin> Fielden Jackson < Feka Kirmond < Tomkins Lunt < Flanagan '" deluded, arrogant, know nothings. they are becoming the HKR of the RL world

what a bunch of arrogant W*******. Check out this thread on how their ex wigan players are no better than who they have now viewtopic.php? ... sc&start=0 Also how their squad matches up to ours Quote andyed-wiganrl wrote Comparing the two semi final line ups - B. Hodgson > Phelps Cudjoe < Richards Lolesi < Carmont Whaturia < Gleeson D. Hodgson, = Roberts Brown < Tomkins. Robinson <Leuleui> Prescott Moore = Riddell Griffin < Coley Wild < Bailey Fulton < Hansen Faiumu <Oloughlin> Fielden Jackson < Feka Kirmond < Tomkins Lunt < Flanagan '" deluded, arrogant, know nothings. they are becoming the HKR of the RL world

I read that yesterday and was going to post a reply but in the end I could not summon the energy to argue with such a clown. I mean if that is the level of realism flying round Wigan then god help them all!

a Tree > Feka
a plantpot > Fielden
A muppet > Tompkins

poor things ----they still think their good

Quote ="Durham Giant"what a bunch of arrogant W*******. Check out this thread on how their ex wigan players are no better than who they have now viewtopic.php? ... sc&start=0 Also how their squad matches up to ours deluded, arrogant, know nothings. they are becoming the HKR of the RL world'" Why do you insist on tarring us all with the same brush? It really is tiresome in the extreme. With regard to the squad comparison I might not agree whole heartedly with the poster but I think the thrust of his post was that it is in the coaching department where you are clearly miles better than us - and I'm with him on that one. Good luck at Wembley. I'll be rooting for you - and not just because of the ex-Wigan contingent!

Quote ="Durham Giant"what a bunch of arrogant W*******. Check out this thread on how their ex wigan players are no better than who they have now viewtopic.php? ... sc&start=0 Also how their squad matches up to ours deluded, arrogant, know nothings. they are becoming the HKR of the RL world'" Why do you insist on tarring us all with the same brush? It really is tiresome in the extreme. With regard to the squad comparison I might not agree whole heartedly with the poster but I think the thrust of his post was that it is in the coaching department where you are clearly miles better than us - and I'm with him on that one. Good luck at Wembley. I'll be rooting for you - and not just because of the ex-Wigan contingent!

Since they are mainly the same people who finished 10th last season and are now 3rd and in the CC Final.

No Gareth Hock in that list?

Correct. It just goes to show what the right coach at the right club can achieve, though you haven't won anything yet! I interpreted the post to mean there is no reason why a squad of our quality should be languishing 8 points behind you. As you point out, the only major positional change you have made is at coach.

and full back.
and hooker.
and half back.

Neither is Eorl or Mase who are better than any of there Prps.

And we got another prop in

Which means we have about 4 more props than wigan, and all of them are better than wigans.

No where near as significant as appointing Nathan Brown.

Brett Hodgson in place of Thorman? You sure on that one?

Of course Hodgson is a world apart from Thorman but the reason behind your improvement IMO is the way in which Brown has got your pack playing. The best backs in the world can't do much without a go forward pack - ask Trent Barrett!

In fairness, player by player, on paper there probably isn't much between Huddersfield and Wigan (I'd say the edge on individuals is with Hudds, but not by as much as the table suggests). However, RL is played on grass, not paper, and Huddersfield are a cohesive unit (witness defensive record) and are a better [uteam[/u than Wigan by some distance.

I'd like to agree with you but then I wouldn't be "deluded" or "know nothing". I suppose I could still be "arrogant", though....

But the problems at wigan go deeper than just having a new coach..

K Brown was not hounded out by the coach it was the fans and their refusal to accept less than perfection or immediate success which contributed to the massive pressure on him and the subsequent loss of confidence.

the ownership of wigan first with maurice and then Lenegan who wanted to buy immediate success and bring in overpaid ( overweight) aussies rather than realistically building slowly from the great number of young players you have in the area. All this was compounded by the fact that too many Wigan fans judged everything on the past rather than the present and too late realised with SL, SC and franchising that you could not buy immediate success.

The goalposts have changed and now you have to take small steps over a few years . that is what the Giants have done. Our crowds, team, backroom staff, merchandising has been building over the last five years. None of that was due to Brown. Most of it is due to our chairman.

Brown has taken a group of underperforming players and got them to realise their potential. Some quality recruits have been added but Hodgson was wanted before Brown was even approached. Brown has then taken these players and instilled in them good coaching and AUSTRALIAN approach to the game of getting defence sorted and letting the rest follow. his personality seems to have made the players happy.

This however was not luck. Brown was thoroughly vetted and interviewed to make sure we got the right man. That is down to our chairman and the management team.

the original post on the Wigan board seemed to suggest that getting brown was a bit of luck and all the success we have was down to him. that is just plain wrong he built a good house on solid foundations layed by davy, smith and Sharp.

In general i like Wigan fans and the club but there is still a lack of humility which i think is needed before your club can move on. To suggest that kevin Brown would be back at wigan like a shot if given the chance is way off the mark. Why would he swap what he has now for uncertainty in moving back to Wigan even if he is a Wigan lad at heart.

A successful club is more than a coach it is a combination of many parts all working together. nathan brown is a big part of it but if the other bits were not working his influence would be really diminished.

well said durham agree with everything you say.

Ignore them, most cluelesss bunch on rlfans.

Suprised you guys havent tried to sign him...you did Hudson.

Also nice to see Sean Penkywicz back in the game eh

Erm, yes?

Are you coming to Wembley?

yes

Who will you be supporting?

You guys

How is Feka? Did he smash anyone's jaw after the loss in the semi?