Don't think I can add too much to that, other than Robbo was injured at the start of the season and meant Lunt was overplayed which ultimately caught up with him, and that's what happening now with Robbo in he's being overplayed, coupled with the mid season injury to Brough meant we had him out of his starting position.

I suspect this personally, I can't remember a game where we have been physically dominant of a big pack since Warrington earlier in the season.

I have just put something silmilar on another thread- i also started a thread about it a while ago. The fact that the players have been quiet about this aspect of things - whearas we never stopped hearing about bumper and how great he was making them all feel last season, that speaks volumes for me.

jools i have spoke to one of our players about this issue and he thinks its a major reason without naming names.

i agree....the players look tired before a game gets going and in some game si've thought the pre-game routine has looked very tough .

The tough pre game routine stopped around the castleford cup match they have considerably lightened it since....