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| 8 players having ops in the off season might go some way to explaining it but not entirely IMO
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| The bookies rarely get it wrong when fixing their odds. The only change to that finishing order would be that I would have Dewsbury ahead of both Fev and Fax. Maybe switch London and Sheffield, but pretty much bang on.
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| Quote ="TOMCAT"Granted but not much of a one after 23 rounds of preceding competition.
As to Leighs performance in the mid 8's you were indeed "poo", the mystery to me is why? How did a club that performed so well in the regular season, lose the plot at the business end? Did you have an injury crisis? discord in camp? From my detached view point I couldn't believe the way your season fizzled out with a whimper. I though you were nailed on for promotion.'"
As 'Demon' says, there were up to eight players needing ops - some of whom were playing injured, and others who were sorely missed.
However, I'm pretty sure the other seven 'qualifiers' were in the same boat and were, for whatever reason, able to handle the situation better. Hopefully we will learn from that experience!
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| Quote ="TOMCAT":mni7sqsjGranted but not much of a one after 23 rounds of preceding competition.
As to Leighs performance in the mid 8's you were indeed "poo", the mystery to me is why? How did a club that performed so well in the regular season, lose the plot at the business end? Did you have an injury crisis? discord in camp? From my detached view point I couldn't believe the way your season fizzled out with a whimper. I though you were nailed on for promotion.'" Or at least that's what went wrong in the 2nd half of the Qualifiers. Against SL teams I don't think we appreciated how important momentum was. If a Championship team scores against you it's no big deal, if a SL team scores they'll keep you pinned down the pitch & score again & go on a roll. Again hopefully we'll have learnt that & the experienced players brought in will help.
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| Quote ="Mr Jagger"Here's one for you Leighers,my local Turf Accountant ,has Mr Chase at 3-1 not to complete the season,what say you Tripster, worth a couple of shillings?'"
Can you ask what price he is to be a Leyther at the end of the season then please?
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| Quote ="Lowton_Sparrow"As has been said we did have players playing needing operations however it's more than that in my opinion. For 2 years we swept away all before us only losing 2 games in 2 years. Then all of a sudden we'd lost 3 on the bounce, against Hull KR we should have had won at half time, whupped by Salford we might have targeted for a win and by 1 point against Wakefield, coupled with Bradford's Salford win in 3 weeks we'd gone from top of the world to having it all to do for the first time in 2 years. Could tell the players were physically AND MENTALY drained. Hopefully they'll have learnt from the experience and the introduction of more experienced players will mean we'll be ready this year.
[Edit Or at least that's what went wrong in the 2nd half of the Qualifiers. Against SL teams I don't think we appreciated how important momentum was. If a Championship team scores against you it's no big deal, if a SL team scores they'll keep you pinned down the pitch & score again & go on a roll. Again hopefully we'll have learnt that & the experienced players brought in will help.'"
I think that is a pretty good summary of what happened LS.
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| Quote ="Lowton_Sparrow"As has been said we did have players playing needing operations however it's more than that in my opinion. For 2 years we swept away all before us only losing 2 games in 2 years. Then all of a sudden we'd lost 3 on the bounce, against Hull KR we should have had won at half time, whupped by Salford we might have targeted for a win and by 1 point against Wakefield, coupled with Bradford's Salford win in 3 weeks we'd gone from top of the world to having it all to do for the first time in 2 years. Could tell the players were physically AND MENTALY drained. Hopefully they'll have learnt from the experience and the introduction of more experienced players will mean we'll be ready this year.
[Edit Or at least that's what went wrong in the 2nd half of the Qualifiers. Against SL teams I don't think we appreciated how important momentum was. If a Championship team scores against you it's no big deal, if a SL team scores they'll keep you pinned down the pitch & score again & go on a roll. Again hopefully we'll have learnt that & the experienced players brought in will help.'"
A very interesting analysis and one that makes sense. Hopefully the old saying that "you have to lose one to win one" will hold good for you this season
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| Quote ="TOMCAT"A very interesting analysis and one that makes sense. Hopefully the old saying that "you have to lose one to win one" will hold good for you this season
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Has anyone read Gareth Hocks reason why we were cr@p in the middle 8's.I think he is 99% correct.
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| Quote ="newshy38"Has anyone read Gareth Hocks reason why we were cr@p in the middle 8's.I think he is 99% correct.'"
No. What were his views?
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| Quote ="Tipster Ste"Quote ="Mr Jagger"Here's one for you Leighers,my local Turf Accountant ,has Mr Chase at 3-1 not to complete the season,what say you Tripster, worth a couple of shillings?'"
Can you ask what price he is to be a Leyther at the end of the season then please?'"
Well logically they would lay 1/4
However as they are in Yorkshire make that 1/5
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| Quote ="Early Bath"Well logically they would lay 1/4
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Quality mate...
Come on Mick.... Do you have an answer?
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| Can you lot please stop ganging up on poor Mick - I'm starting to feel sorry for him.
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| Quote ="newshy38"Has anyone read Gareth Hocks reason why we were cr@p in the middle 8's.I think he is 99% correct.'"
Now that sounds like a sneaky plug for the book if ever I heard one, or maybe I'm just being cynical Reminds me of the MarioRugby contribution on SS "Gaz Hock almost joined Leeds!"
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| Mick is holding his own and obviously enjoying himself.
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| Quote ="reffy"Mick is holding his own and obviously enjoying himself.
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| Quote ="PlayTheBall"Can you lot please stop ganging up on poor Mick - I'm starting to feel sorry for him.
I sense his bottom lip is starting to tremble.'"
Mr PTB,thank you for your concern though it is not needed,I don't see the Tripster or Atomic or Hokey Cokey as a challenge either verbally or mentally,it seems The Tripster struggles with the concept of betting even though he tells everyone what a master Tripster he is,anyone with half a brain would know if one bet was 3-1 the other would be 1-3 allowing for a shade of even money for a draw.
I will however hopefully meet with the Tripster when Fax visit your ground to have a chat with him.
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| Quote ="Tipster Ste"Quality mate...
Come on Mick.... Do you have an answer?'"
Quality?Very low ,I will however have some sort of wager with you Mr Tripster ,but let's get Christmas over first, I'm a very religious man we all are in Yorkshire.
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| Quote ="TOMCAT"A very interesting analysis and one that makes sense. Hopefully the old saying that "you have to lose one to win one" will hold good for you this season
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Hopefully. I remember an interview with Paul Rowley back when we were on a record breaking winning run, he said "This team don't know how to lose." Think he was more right than he knew. That was the difference between us & Bradford, their last season in SL & the few inconsequential defeats at the end of the Championship meant they knew some defeats didn't matter & how to move on from them & to just focus on the game at hand.
Quote ="TOMCAT"A very interesting analysis and one that makes sense. Hopefully the old saying that "you have to lose one to win one" will hold good for you this season
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Not yet. What's he said & where's he said it.
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| Quote ="Mr Jagger"Quality?Very low ,I will however have some sort of wager with you Mr Tripster ,but let's get Christmas over first, I'm a very religious man we all are in Yorkshire.'"
Ill have £3 on Rangi still being with us at 1/3, are you ok standing that.....
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Quote ="Mr Jagger"Mr PTB,thank you for your concern though it is not needed,I don't see the Tripster or Atomic or Hokey Cokey as a challenge either verbally or mentally,it seems The Tripster struggles with the concept of betting even though he tells everyone what a master Tripster he is,anyone with half a brain would know if one bet was 3-1 the other would be 1-3 allowing for a shade of even money for a draw.
I will however hopefully meet with the Tripster when Fax visit your ground to have a chat with him.'"
Where do I say this Mick? If you want to follow try www.freewinningbets.com all bets are listed and a healthy profit is there to be seen...
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Quote ="Mr Jagger"Mr PTB,thank you for your concern though it is not needed,I don't see the Tripster or Atomic or Hokey Cokey as a challenge either verbally or mentally,it seems The Tripster struggles with the concept of betting even though he tells everyone what a master Tripster he is,anyone with half a brain would know if one bet was 3-1 the other would be 1-3 allowing for a shade of even money for a draw.
I will however hopefully meet with the Tripster when Fax visit your ground to have a chat with him.'"
Where do I say this Mick? If you want to follow try www.freewinningbets.com all bets are listed and a healthy profit is there to be seen...
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| Quote ="Mr Jagger"Mr PTB,thank you for your concern though it is not needed,I don't see the Tripster or Atomic or Hokey Cokey as a challenge either verbally or mentally,it seems The Tripster struggles with the concept of betting even though he tells everyone what a master Tripster he is,anyone with half a brain would know if one bet was 3-1 the other would be 1-3 allowing for a shade of even money for a draw.
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Hey Mick Jagger, you must be paranoid. You probably think the players are talking about you when they're in a scrum.
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| Quote ="Cokey"Hey Mick Jagger, you must be paranoid. You probably think the players are talking about you when they're in a scrum.
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| Quote ="Cokey"Mr rubber lips, your post with a lol emoticon is about as funny as neuralgia. I reckon the customers who order bread that you deliver, ask for " THICK CU;T ".
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| Quote ="Mr Jagger"Good post Hokey.
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