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| Quote ="maurice"Admin means a pre-pack, done in 20 mins, Derek controls the entire process due to the money owing to him being about 95% of the creditors, whoosh - new owning company, no debts and no pay outs for the two. Derek benefits as his money owed attracts tax benefits, Larroyer and Evans get nowt and as fans we can start showing why we are the best in RL, again. We must all learn from this and ensure we grow as a transparent community club that unites the community behind a common goal again'"
The best in rugby league? Two players get nowt to coin your phrase and you don't seem to care a jot. No compassion there then to two employees fighting for their contractual rights and families' future. Hope you never find yourself in the same situation.
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| Terrible that it has got to this, feel the players were ill advised here. When a company cannot settled its debts by agreement this becomes the next option and bad for all. With respect to the supporters we are just spectators to the events we value all players that have played for us but want to see our historic club to survive and provide opportunity for the next generation of players. That is no disrespect to Rhys and Kevin hope they get sorted with new clubs ASAP.
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| Can't really judge if the players have been ill advised without knowing how much of a settlement they were offered, what their circumstances are etc...
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| Quote ="Keiththered"The best in rugby league? Two players get nowt to coin your phrase and you don't seem to care a jot. No compassion there then to two employees fighting for their contractual rights and families' future. Hope you never find yourself in the same situation.'"
Been in that situation, no point moaning about it - dusted myself down, saw it as an opportunity to do better and did so. Do you advocate having a good moan and woe is I session??
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Quote ="charlie caroli"Well said Alan
theses players are just employees and have rights , just like any other employee,folk should put themselves in their place, to many Employers treat their workers with contempt.My wife has recently had a similar problem,we took the saidEmployers to court and won our case.'"
You should never act outside the law, which of course SCL are not. Look at Bradfords history
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... o-present/
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theses players are just employees and have rights , just like any other employee,folk should put themselves in their place, to many Employers treat their workers with contempt.My wife has recently had a similar problem,we took the saidEmployers to court and won our case.'"
You should never act outside the law, which of course SCL are not. Look at Bradfords history
https://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.uk/ ... o-present/
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| Quote ="Keiththered"The best in rugby league? Two players get nowt to coin your phrase and you don't seem to care a jot. No compassion there then to two employees fighting for their contractual rights and families' future. Hope you never find yourself in the same situation.'"
You didn't do KL any favours yourselves, did you? [url=https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/rugby-league/rugby-league-news/ex-hull-kr-player-kevin-109382Here[/url
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| Because there are no ugly creditors who are forcing this then the club may be able to CVA and stay in business with agreements to pay existing creditors (mainly DB) some pennies in the pound but being able to walk away from future agreed contracts in the same way many high street businesses are restructuring. The more DB pays himself then the more other creditors would get. It is unrealistic of the two players to expect their contracts to be paid up in full when Central funding has dried up. The CVA needs creditor approval of 75% by value meaning it’s all down to DB.
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| Quote ="JackDiggle"Because there are no ugly creditors who are forcing this then the club may be able to CVA and stay in business with agreements to pay existing creditors (mainly DB) some pennies in the pound but being able to walk away from future agreed contracts in the same way many high street businesses are restructuring. The more DB pays himself then the more other creditors would get. It is unrealistic of the two players to expect their contracts to be paid up in full when Central funding has dried up. The CVA needs creditor approval of 75% by value meaning it’s all down to DB.'"
It's not unreasonable at all for the players to expect their contracts to be honoured in full. There was always the possibility that Leigh would not gain promotion and if that meant that contracts couldn't be fulfilled then they should not have been offered in the first place. Clearly someone didn't consider the consequences of their actions and hasn't got pockets as deep as plenty on here reckoned.
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| Quote ="maurice"Been in that situation, no point moaning about it - dusted myself down, saw it as an opportunity to do better and did so. Do you advocate having a good moan and woe is I session??'"
No. If you have been in that situation you should be more understanding. No one is advocating a feel sorry session but you have to recognise that the players have a contract and have a right to pursue it. Your previous post seemed to dismiss they situation as "hard luck" and at the same time big up your perceived idea of Leigh fans. I just thought the two ideas were incongruous.
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| Quote ="Keiththered"No. If you have been in that situation you should be more understanding. No one is advocating a feel sorry session but you have to recognise that the players have a contract and have a right to pursue it. Your previous post seemed to dismiss they situation as "hard luck" and at the same time big up your perceived idea of Leigh fans. I just thought the two ideas were incongruous.'"
I had a contract of employment, as will anyone made redundant, been there less than a year also like these 2, got fekk all unlike these 2. Its not perfect, we don't live in a perfect world. Feel more for Larroyer than Evans, who probably knew he was fekked but took the contract KC shuvved in front of him.
Leigh fans will rally around OUR club, as we always do. We support the shirt on the field, as we always do. I wish these 2 health and happiness in whatever they do also, but whatever's best for my club is first priority
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| DB as just bought a new vehicle that is worth more than the two players are asking for. That says to me he going blind and will keep doing so in this game of 3 card brag till he wins
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| [iw[/i Quote ="Montyburns"DB as just bought a new vehicle that is worth more than the two players are asking for. That says to me he going blind and will keep doing so in this game of 3 card brag till he wins'"
Monty, I was told the same thing on Thursday, though I was told he has bought 2 one for his wife ,and one for his son, Lambos ,can't be bad. .
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| Quote ="maurice"I had a contract of employment, as will anyone made redundant, been there less than a year also like these 2, got fekk all unlike these 2. Its not perfect, we don't live in a perfect world. Feel more for Larroyer than Evans, who probably knew he was fekked but took the contract KC shuvved in front of him.
Leigh fans will rally around OUR club, as we always do. We support the shirt on the field, as we always do. I wish these 2 health and happiness in whatever they do also, but whatever's best for my club is first priority'"
But these two aren't being made redundant. There will be others brought in to replace them.
These two may well have had other offers but were enticed to Leigh by the contract and now being told they're not getting owt like that.
I don't blame them one iota for chasing whats due to them. Sheeite happens. This could have been us in 2013 with the chuckle brothers making their noise at fev. I wouldn't have blamed any player for trying to protect his lot.
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"[iw[/iMonty, I was told the same thing on Thursday, though I was told he has bought 2 one for his wife ,and one for his son, Lambos ,can't be bad.
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| I mentioned the lambos months ago
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| Quote ="Peter Kay"I mentioned the lambos months ago'"
And the problem with that is what exactly- it's his money, his, to do with as he wishes.
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| Quote ="ColD"And the problem with that is what exactly- it's his money, his, to do with as he wishes.'"
I think they’re upset because he should have bought a British car!
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| Blinkered , shouldve paid what he owed & leigh wouldn't be in this position
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| If we have gone into admin does this mean DB won't be allowed by the RFL to have any involvement anymore?
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| Quote ="Rotherham Fev Fan"But these two aren't being made redundant. There will be others brought in to replace them.
These two may well have had other offers but were enticed to Leigh by the contract and now being told they're not getting owt like that.
I don't blame them one iota for chasing whats due to them. Sheeite happens. This could have been us in 2013 with the chuckle brothers making their noise at fev. I wouldn't have blamed any player for trying to protect his lot.'"
I don't disagree with any of that, but as the club has loans of 1.3m to DB then they should have the common sense to realise they don't have a great set of options, we will be doing a pre pack and start again imo. Personally I would have both parties in a room with no agents to reach a compromise, better than paying it to an administrator. Nobody will walk away smelling of roses here, but DB is not obliged to personally fund the contract so if he chooses not to and nobody else wants to - whats next?
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| Quote ="JENKY"If we have gone into admin does this mean DB won't be allowed by the RFL to have any involvement anymore?'"
I understand the RFL are under pressure to prevent pre packs that leave HMRC out of pocket, I believe this isn't the case so who knows. There is a strong rumour of someone else taking over after and that DB has already stated newco will have a positive bank balance of 100k
My take is we need quick closure so we can unite and rebuild
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| Quote ="maurice"I understand the RFL are under pressure to prevent pre packs that leave HMRC out of pocket, I believe this isn't the case so who knows. There is a strong rumour of someone else taking over after and that DB has already stated newco will have a positive bank balance of 100k
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| The structure of funding in the championship is a disgrace to the sport. There will hopefully always be more then 4 decent clubs in with a shout and the gap between 4th and 5th in central funding is almost impossible to deal with from a commercial planning point of view. Get relegated from SL and you get a parachute and all contracts void. Plan for top 4 in champ and fail or get demoted from top 4 and you are stuffed. The funds should be allocated on points earned and if teams are bunched then they share what’s going and would probably be able to guess next years funding a few weeks out.
From what I’ve gleaned on here it’s also not possible to create contracts acceptable to RFL that base the ongoing rewards with pitch performance.
The two scenarios create an almost impossible basis on which to run a business - to survive just aim low and try not to miss.
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