we have a fantastic stadium and we have the team we can afford.
no individual club director or chairman is going to throw money into a bottomless pit.
if the fans turn up and put cash into the club, we will have a more successful team.

there is nothing wrong with the coach.

Yet 2 weeks ago when we beat Widnes away we were 'on the right path' and everything was rosy. Were Widnes that bad then? We have to face facts, we don't have the money to spend on better players. I'm as frustrated as everyone. As for new investment, in the current climate thats very unlikely to happen. We have to persevere with youth and maybe pick up one or two players along the way if we can. Sacking NK is not the answer, besides that would cost us money we can ill afford to waste.

Well that really is where the problem is, you have to be congratulated for bringing youngsters on and building a future team with them but they also need mentoring.They need a few good quality older end to learn from and I think the signing of say the likes of Hobson and the like are not just good enough anymore.

I blame Richie Mathers

these lads played some very good rugby earlier this season so what has changed?

They have played no rugby all season and back end of last, if we were entertained and had the same results we would be singing their praises and looking forward to the future.
We are simply bored with the skill levels and garbage on show.

But are we getting the effort? i say we are but if the players aren't good enough what do we do??????????

I dont disagree, I also feel some players have more to offer if used to their strengths.
Anyway been told the 6 is here this week, lets hope he is in on Thursday.

Good news! (if he's any good!) Given the current state of affairs, are we likely to hear if he's arrived?

we can keep calling our backs all day but they are not been given the chance to play attacking rugby you can count on one hand the amount of ball centres donlan and reay get in open play the only time the backs get the ball is from acting halfback if kelly cant see this then its time for him to go we need a standoff urgently to bring the backs into play our fitness levels are worst in league mort can be a good player but a fullback he is not never in the right place in defence donlan maybe reay who was wigans reserve fullback need to play here

What i gather from some peeps on here is that when we lose its because we have played cr@p, when we win its because the opposition has played cr@p or both teams are cr@p what about giving the lads a break

I agree with you itsatry.

the " head in the sand" mentality doesn't do anyone any good though, does it??

Just agreeing, because I too have sensed that whenever Leigh have a good win, certain people, often the fans of teams who play you, claim that they have had a particularly bad day and that Leigh are rubbish. I personally feel that you should judge each game individually and on its merits. I do not buy that every time Leigh win it is because the opposition are rubbish or have had a bad day. Head in sand. Not sure what you mean. Yesterday Leigh were well beaten. Nobody could argue, but for example, at Widnes, I do feel that it was hinted that Widnes were suddenly rubbish and I cannot agree with that. Most teams will have their good and bad days this season. Constructive criticism is great and objective viewing of a game and when a team has played poorly they need to admit it and try and improve for the next game. If you do not admit your weaknesses you will never move on and get better. However, by the same token, if your team plays well and gets a good result, it is not always because the opposition were rubbish. There is nothing wrong in acknowledging this.

Not sure about that - we outlasted Widnes, who are a full-time team. What hasn't done us any favours, as part-timers, is three games in nine days, with a long journey inbetween. Having to play again on Thursday is a totally unfair imposition by the RFL/Sky.

Both need to shoulder the responsibilities for the results.

Players playing dumb rugby, gifting possession and territory to the opposition with mistakes, poor tackling and giving away cheap penalties.

Coach making strange selections and timing of substitutions and dour game plan.

Everything i was thinking and you know what your talking about and it comes across in your post,very well put ,im just fed up with all the negativity that comes across from certain posts as soon as there is a loss or a win for that matter ,dont get me wrong im just as frustrated as the next person but then i just look forward to the next game .

we were beaten by an improving toulouse side,but we stood off them and allowed their halfbacks to run the show.kelly and rowley must see that one man rugby is not going to win us games,neither is doing his usual trick of waiting for the fans to sing jamie durbins name before putting him on.Dont blame the team for a poor display,the tactics come from the coaches.

But we were averaging 2500+ a few years ago - the fans HAVE turned up in the past but as the quality has worsened the crowds are falling.

We can't keep blaming the fans - no one pays good money for nothing. If the club had maintained rugby standards when the crowds were higher then when we moved to LSV we could possibly have expected about another 500 - 1000.

The club has to take most of the blame due to bad management, I mean who would have taken on an unqualified coach? Our playing quality has been reduced each season so the drop in fans should not be a surprise. Come on guys, do your bit first and the fans will return. Do nothing and we will soon be on a par with Swinton / Rochdale etc.

I wish there were this many chickens and eggs come breakfast time in Toulouse.

If the players decide they aint playing for the coach is it time for a new coach?

Is that an hyperthetical question?

Not from what i'm hearing.

BANG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Leigh press the self detruct button again!

We may be seeing the same smoke, lets see.