Still amazes me that the sport couldn’t build on the decent crowds at Fulham. A couple of rival teams in centre of London would have got our sport to stage.

Accuracy again, my friend - UPVC Decking (clue in the company title AB Sundecks) You've got to admit that is far more classy than double glazing!

They Only came up with Toronto after this , anyway its all history now whichever side you believed have both left the sport so time to move on

' They ' told you this ?

I didn't realise you and Mr's Perez and Argyle were on speaking terms

It would have been a short cut to SL , invest in Leigh , attain promotion , then move franchise to Toronto , reapply Leigh into League 1 to be run as dual reg reserves , thankfully Derek isn't as stupid as you

Obviously more paranoid though

Glad you now recognise the past is the past and should not be constantly dragged up to score petty points on social media , I look forward to you following your own advice

Its you lot that keep dredging it up

The ability to recognise the probable implications of your decisions isn't paranoia , it good business and common sense , unlike some , who believe any old bull they are told , then repeat it on here

No , you replied to harold when he was outlining actual circumstances of players leaving in response to Mish's post about our recent ; past ' and how that affects her support for the club

You then started raking up other ' past ' issues

it is essentially all you do , get over it

No he raked them up

Harold you're quite right, at this moment in time I no longer support the club as I can't separate the owner from the club and nothing in this world would allow me to support a man who caused so much damage to so many people, who went out of his way to destroy the reputations and mental health of his ex employees. Sport isn't THAT important to me I'm afraid. I'll always be a Leigh supporter, I'm just not a fan at the moment.

Well, to answer that question, our last SL season achieved an average circa 6,700 across all SL & Q8's fixtures so not far off 7K, approx 1,300 to 1,400 behind Catalans & bettering 4 established SL Clubs, all this despite finishing 11th.& having a terrible season end.

I would say that an 8k to 9k average is not inconceivable if the Club had even a mediocre sustained presence in SL, something akin to that of Wakefield I think would achieve that if the marketing was much improved. Success however relative brings in the crowds, a good Leigh team can achieve a higher average season attendance than Salford, Wakey, Widnes & Huddersfield if the Club is run professionally of that I have no doubt.

Fair enough Mish, it is a shame a fellow Leigh supporter feels this way right now, but I appreciate it is your view and you are entitled to it.

H, I will continue to support the club as many will. But we now have an owner not willing to support in his words an "untenable" position. Yet he is still willing to take a back seat and not spend a penny now.

How can Leigh survive this one? Without any financial backing? Short term fixes are a proven point. What's on the cards for long term yet again!

Why is it always necessary that any owner is obligated to inject cash into a club ?

Yes I agree that we rarely see any long term plans which is very frustrating , buts that's unfortunately where we are

What long term actions would you like to see ? , and with what aim ?

I’m not sure that the owner is a back seat kinda guy to be honest

- what he says and what he does may not necessarily equate to the same thing

The fact i’ll be imputing more than the owner (as will all) doesn’t shine with me.

Stability could have been created, yet glory came first or maybe egos with the wrong clientele.

We are back to square one again. I’m just frustrated Starbug.

The fact still remains Col. He wanted/wants out. Back seat isn’t a position an owner should be taking at present in a scenario he was part of.

Do you seriously think he will invest again should Leigh become viable again?

My personal opinion is good riddance. Thanks for the glory, but the club needs to move forward again and no place for back seat drivers.

As I was once told, opinions are like s and we all have one. We even have fans thinking that local wealthy individuals are queuing up to throw there hard earned in so that "fans" can abuse them when it goes wrong. Derek still owns the club and most owners take a back seat, especially when deciding to go again or not once TW are out of the way. All we can do as fans is buy tickets to show DB or the next owner that we have the fan base to support ambition

May have had enough initially, certainly don’t believe he does want out now. As I say, I don’t believe for one minute he’s taken a back seat now he’s got a bit of his mojo back

At the moment Toronto should p1$$ the league and get promotion - why throw big money into the pot for pretty much no return

Do I think lessons have been learned ?? Not really convinced to be honest, it worries me he will go poop or bust again - but deffo think he will invest heavily again
In theory the club should be relatively self sustainable at top 4 level in champ with sponsors/fan base/ lottery/LISA etc - reckon his plan is to push once it’s more of an open market, no reason why anyone other than Toronto are beyond us at this level

I think db won't take a back seat because it's not in his nature,I think he's just looked at the spending power of Toronto and thought there's no way it's worth putting the money that's needed to even compete with them so let's be competitive this year and challenge for the top 5 then hopefully Toronto get promoted,then next year more money will be invested to bring in the bit of quality needed to challenge for the one promotion spot

As long as we don’t throw huge money at overpriced injury prone imports.. build from a local core is the only sustainable way.

Looking at the signings I think a few are for next year and beyond but a few are for now so I think they are trying to get the blend right so it is a case of just adding a bit more quality as the club gets more stabilised

I have no doubt Derek will be ' inputting ' more than the cost of my ST

What do you define as ' stability ' ?

Plenty of clubs start at ' square one ' every year , so what is the other option ? , building slowly ? , that involves giving out longer term contracts , something we've suffered because of recently

Frustration is all part of supporting any team in any sport , ask those 74,000 at Old Trafford every other week

Better a back seat driver than no driver at all