Have you any idea how patronising you sound when you metaphorically pat us all on the head and tell us to run along and let the grown ups take over?

No one is stopping any member of the Touchdown club from joining our group if they feel they have something to offer but I'm afraid you'd have to sit around the table with us plebs and 'talk us through' the grown up stuff.

well last years average was 2400ish, so the club have gone as low as they can. At the moment were averaging under 1800 in the league but that always picks up towards the back end.

Plus nrc v batley should attract at least 2500

If having a realistic view of where the club is at makes me patronising then so be it, maybe one day soon you'll agree with me.

The club has to be run as a viable business and volunteers can only do so much - to move forward we should start getting the right people targetted and involved instead of waiting for their approach, as per Mohammed and the mountain!

My view is no different than how the club would treat the players if we got into Super League, ie thanks for your service now we need better players than you. Way of the world i'm afraid.

So (and these are serious questions),

Will the Touchdown club be willing to cover all the bases I pointed out earlier?

Will they be doing this voluntarily?

If they are doing it voluntarily, don't they just become volunteers?


Most importantly.....

Why aren't they already doing it?

Yeah - we'd have been planning for a semi-final against Wire!!

The flip side being 4,000 Leigh fans turned up knowing the team would be beat.
Admitedly trying to market the Championship is difficult as the league is viewed as unattractive and ambitions cannot be realised as at the moment Promotion and Relgation doesn't happen - I'm not sure that will remain in place as the game looks to be at another crossroads.
The amount of people who live within 15-20 mins drive of Leigh is huge - its a huge area to tap into.
The club needs to be in the schools selling sport as the social benefit it is - heck we have a state of the art RL stadium second to none and yet I'd imagine the kids still hang around on corners - get the schools to buy into a community and the youngsters are the future fans, not many swop clubs down the line.

This season Leigh has been forced to turn a corner but every new initiative put in place MUST have a 5 year lifespan, way too many boom & bust ideas not given time to gell have occured at Leigh.
Lets allocate a certain type of objective to a person - if thats a volunteer fine , equally if its a professional then fine - its needs a accountable trail.
For instance if programme sales are down I would approach Alan and ask him why and then sit down and go through what we are doing wrong - what could be improved (do we sell it in Town centre shops for example, do schools, collegues get any etc, etc)*Using Alan as a example - NOT saying sales are down BTW.

I actually feel Leigh are pointing in the right direction but have a long way to go off the field but for the first time in years I actually think the club has realised its 'sat on its hands' for years and with quite a bit of on field success have achieved very little off field.
We need to make Leigh the best club in our league and the place to be on matchday - ALL parties have to pull together or back off, argueing is healthy but if it drags on it achieves nothing.

1,800 is a realistic aim now (thats getting on double what a lot of clubs get in this league), however lets use that as a minimum and start to aim high - the potential is huge , we just need to realise it.

Mish , no disrespect here , although I just know it will be taken 'personally ' , the club could quite easilly operate without any of the tasks you highlighted , without income , it wont

The O/P was , how will the club finance itself , a kids club, internet radio and a match programme wont fund the shortfall the club will have , they are all great positives , and all the work put into them is appreciated , but ultimatley we need ' income ' lots of it

They obviously aren't!! We were in the ground before half seven on Friday, and couldn't get hold of a programme for love nor money!!





Don't suppose anyone has a 'spare'??

im sure there will be a few in the VIP boxes that were left.

I actually used the TD as an example of people with business acumen on the clubs doorstep who by definition of being corporate members clearly possess the key ingredients, ie they are fans of the club and in the main their businesses will fund their memberships.

Sometimes you have more success by asking people to get involved rather than waiting for them to put their hand up and of course they wouldn't be paid, however more difficult to say no in those circumstances!

No I don't take it personally and I understand where you're coming from, but what I don't understand is why The Prophet thinks it's either 'them or us'? Why could we all not sit around the same table, does he think he's too good for us? And why, hasn't he offered his services to help the club in their hour of need?

My my, we do have feelings of self importance don't we?

You're saying you won't help the club because you've not been asked? Get over yourself man.

hahaha touche!

That sounds ' personal ' to me

No you moron it isn't about me and how I could be the saviour and you haven't got a clue what I may or may not already contribute so don't try and second guess.

If you honestly believe the PSG can take the club forward to be a self sufficient profitable entity with sponsors falling over themselves and potential investors ready to jump on board then I actually think your profile picture must be recent such is your naivety.

Careful, you are only allowed to receive insults not give them.

Why do these 'debate' threads always end up in personal abuse?



I can hear the Mods getting their padlocks ready as we speak......

Pity - as the O/P does raise valid questions - it's just some people seem unable or unwilling to debate without becoming vitriolic in their argument!!

Shhhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! "Fredparky is watching you!!"


You question the establishment here at your peril; Castro had nothing on this place

Nothing to do with "Questioning The Establishment" as you put it - I've no problem with that on an Independant Messageboard.

What I do have a problem with is people who can't tell the difference between reasoned, if passionate, debate and personal abuse!!

Ooh touchy.







So if you're already doing your bit what have you got against the PSG doing their bit? I think you have the totally wrong impression of what the PSG do, but seeing as I've already posted what they do and you haven't bothered to read it, it's not my fault if you've got hold of the wrong end of the stick.

No one has ever suggested that the PSG is the saviour of the club but as a group, we each do our own bit to help out just like the NSFG do - why do you have such a big problem with that?

I tire of trying to point out that the rationale behind projects like the radio station, is to get the name/brand of Leigh Centurions 'out there' beyond the confines of LSV, with the aim of generating extra revenue from sponsorship and advertising.

That implies we have a 'plan' to generate more income, from sources other tha our current Fantastically generous sponsors. Indeed, if you study the CV's of our most recent additions to the Board, you will see that they are both highly successful business people and have a wealth of major clients in their portfolios.

As for the two poor maligned accountants, I feel their role is being totally misunderstood. (Sorry Steve, this isn't all aimed at you - it's just convenient to post it all in one go) They are actively involved in looking at our current cost and income bases, with the objective of ensuring our budget is realistic and we don't over-spend on it. (we daren't do that!) More importantly, they are looking at the governance within the club - something that has been severely lacking in previous years - to ensure we comply with legal, financial and RFL guidelines. They are not actively involved in raising funds.

And, to end on a personal note, I would argue that the programme does make a contribution to the finances - it made around £10000 [size=150PROFIT [/sizelast season, and is in line to do likewise this season. We can't afford to ignore anything that makes a reasonable profit, even if the work is being done by amateurs.

You should have a trip to specsavers I haven't moderated on here for weeks, though I still have the power if I wish to use it, if the fools on here wish to argue amongst themselves thats down to them and nothing at all to do with me.

Its great everyone fighting over who does more!
WHere would the club be without, Trevor , the current board, LISA, the LOTTERY, TOUCHDOWN CLUB, PSG and all the other volunteers like DON etc who all help, and contribute to keeping the club going.
Anyone who has any sense can see all this silly bickering is getting the club no where.
I don't for one think that a ST is the answer neither,unless we are giving up on our dream of SL , as there are no ST's in SL as its not allowed.

So all these groups can meet and have their own little meetings whenever, but isn't it time we all sat down together and pulled together.

Any fan whether he pays his one pound a week to the lottery or the one who is a touchdown Gold member, or even the one that in the lottery, LISA and supports the club everyway he can, they are all important as eact other, this is IMHO of course!!!!!!!

Well said Lynda.

Sounds like a woman after a place on the board to me