Reffy the whole thing is a total waste of time. Because there will be people like myself who think it is a pointless excercise and doomed to upset the apple cart. There will be people who want the job but won't get a lookin so will have the hump. There will even be people who look at it as an attempt to shower themselves in glory. There may even be people who have had a sniff of it before and are planing a sneeky way in with a view to a takeover. There will be all sorts of agendas thats why I agreed with Toads post. I may not be able to get to the meeting to post so I will feel cheated and I won't know enough about the rest of the candidates to vote by proxy. Before anyone gets voted to the board LISA need to make clear the way it is going to use it's funds for the future and assure the members that the board will have no say on the use of them. Ever. Personally I think that LISA should be at a comfortable but friendly distance from any board decisions so it can be truly independant as it's name states.

Perhaps we should have election leaflets from the candidates, by post of course.



However I agree with your final sentence, it would also do more harm than good within LISA.

perhaps an ex board member thats a LISA member could be the answer

Shouldnt this be as simple as the elected Chairman of LISA being the nominee to sit on the Centurions board, work/time permitting of course?

Anything other than the above looks to me like the board are half passifying an original promise by effectively choosing the person they want to sit on the board!

Herein lies the problem! People often confuse being a director with being an employee/consultant.
The point I am making is that an individual joining the board of an organisation on an unpaid basis and only turning up 6 times a year for formal board meetings has the same statutory responsibility as another director who works 60 hours per week in the business and earns £200k!
Therefore whoever represented LISA on the board would have a personal duty of care to shareholders, creditors and employees and therefore would need full access to all information.
I have not been a member of LISA for a while so it really has nothing to do with me but, as someone who has picked up many a director from the floor when I have told them what they may be liable for, I would urge caution before anyone joined the board without full access rights.
On a personal (rather than professional) level I think LISA does a fantastic job as it is and would compromise its independence if it sat on the board - but as I said I'm not a member!

Too simple for this lot Ste

, but as I said having real ownership in the club is far more important then attending board meetings.

I still keep laughing at TV Boys stupidity on this topic, answer this pal - does being a shareholder/Director allow the club to spend, say, Phil's wages/savings how they wish?

The clubs liabilities are limited, the current lot have stated no more money, LISA tips in plenty each year, the shares have no value, has the new boy tipped in the £20k or is he there because of his willingness and abilities. Many companies have Directors who are not shareholders, shareholders appoint Directors - LISA must become a shareholder, as a shareholder they can vote on the appointment of Directors if they so wish, but they can guarantee financial transparency - which is what we have always been denied and why we have so many barstool know alls knocking our club at every opportunity.

Anyway Toadstool is the obvious choice. He has more knowledge and skills than any incumbant. He is handsome, virile and generous to the core. I will pay his subs

These people who do work for LISA every week, Keith, Peter, GIna, Derick, Dawn, Ian, Danielle Ivan, myself and there are others.
I got the membership up to two thirds of what is was, I make sure LISA news is in the match Programme every time we have a home game. I make sure theres coaches for supporters at away games, raffle on coaches,I email, members details of meetings,do all the work for the meetings, organise whos attending, update the website, print off coupons for the forcast for some of the outlets that do them and much more .

Then theres Ian, Danielle and myself who run the pokers nights every Tuesday, that raises between £50 and £70 every week.
Derick and Dawn running around dropping off forcast coupons, picking them up and marking them and updating the website, I 've done it and its very time consuming. This can make anything from £20 to £80 a week.
Ivan who prints off the tickets for the coaches and drops them off at the shops to sell.
Then theres Gina whos a committee member and she attends the poker and sells forcast coupons form her shop.
Keith the chairman who gives up his time for LISA and he always supports events we run.
Peter who is the treasurer who looks after the money side of LISA.
So theres no shortage of people in my eyes who are worthy of selection. Personally I think it doesn't have to be one person it could be LISA get the seat and each month we nominate someone to do it for a month.

That is a fantastic statement Linda and shows what LISA achieves in its current state.
However the idea of sending someone different each time is unworkable - the dynamics of a board are such that people need to be aware of previous discussions, not just a second-hand report but of the subtexts, side issues and personalities.
Again I would advise that the first decision for LISA members is not "who should be our Board representative" but "do we wish to have a nominated Director" and arguments for and against should be given at the next LISA meeting (a la the Oxford Union!).
PS - thanks for the proposed nomination Mo but I refer you to my earlier post on the matter

I'd agree, rather than having board representation, the only thing LISA really needs/should demand is access to the current accounts when requested , this information should be available to the chairman and accountant, So Keith and Peter, if then in their opinion things are not being done in a correct manner , appropriate action with regards LISA s contributions can be taken

That is as far as it goes IMO

Steve that sound pretty good at the moment

Dead right, that is a fantastic statement Lynda. One more thing Maur. I'm far from stupid and am not your pal.

I feel a charity boxing match coming on

This would represent a compromise to safeguard the funds introduced by LISA without in anyway being a threat to the independence of LISA - without this independence the very existence/purpose of LISA is called into question.

LISA is well respected by all stakeholders of the club, don't allow ego to overtake the good work which has been done over many years to secure something you don't need. To potentially try & find your representative could quite easily cause more trouble than its worth, create infighting & of major relevance cause a drop in membership numbers.

Do not let this thread turn into a slanging match or action will be taken against the culprits,You have been warned.

Answer the question and I agree with the pal bit

Starbug, does a shareholding guarantee financial transparency?

I too believe they should stay well clear of a Director title at this moment in time, but the transparency has always been missing and it needs to be guaranteed to reach our potential.(this is not a slur against the incumbants but history tells us we treat the fans with contempt as we drag our way to one financial disaster after the next, this may be the opportunity to at least be aware of the impending doom)

Wether LISA has a shareholding or not, what is more important is access to the financial situation at the club at any given time and that best use of LISA donations is being made,

In recent years LISA has had 2 functions, 1 raising of money to help with signing and paying of players , 2 a communication channel between the club and its supporters

With the current administration and the openness of the fans forums, the communication aspect is now less relevant, hopefully the FF s will continue, albeit with less frequency meaning the club is on a more stable footing

Therefore LISA s main concern will be to continue to find new ways of raising money, continuing the current endevoures and attempting to increase membership

Even though we all support the club and may well be members of LISA, everyone one of us will have different ideas on how the club should operate, I myself have beliefs that the club isn't ready for SL and should not apply until it is, how would that opinion fit in with other LISA members if say I was to be the appointed ' LISA ' director?

Similarily if it is an ' ideas ' person, why would they need LISA affiliation? , if you have an idea that you think can benifit the club, it has been thought through, and you can implement it or help the club implement it, contact the BOD or Trevor direct, there is no need to be associated to LISA for that

It is an independant body, with the rights to give or withold money to the club as it sees fit , it should remain that way IMO

If Sporting Club Leigh wished to give the LISA organisation an honorary shareholding in recognisition of its contribution to the club over many years, that would be fine, and perhaps a good idea

Agreed.

Well I would also like to agree with Starbug's post.

It would seem that before a ballot is taken to choose a LISA rep on the BOD's then a ballot must be sought to see if it's members wish to have one, I would suggest that an extraordinary General Meeting be called of LISA members and advertisements be inserted in both trade papers and both local one's (payed for not relying on free ones) plus internet and match day programme, either that or a postal vote.

Let us all hope enough LISA members also take this view & that common sense will prevail.

Yes' and that we do not have a postal vote which imo would be the equivalent of burning a sizeable wad of £20 notes.

Well I'm not well up on corporate law but Phil and Keiths personall bank accounts are a completely different kettle of fish to the funds held by LISA, read what I said again. Another thing in a bankruptcy court could the LISA funds be lumped in with the clubs assets with a place on the board?

Me also.

Totally agree with starbugs post. Very well put as well.