It isn't a case of ' messing up ' , it's just thinking that the old ways still work , ie , a winning tam and good coach will result in fans returning , or the ' field of dreams ' approach , build it and they will come , or what will shortly be known as the Salford City Reds approach

Inevitably there will always be a fair degree of e written on this message board but for some one to say ' Arthur Thomas was just 48 months off leading us into the Super League play offs ' is right up there !! - All IMHO of course.

Hey, is it true that the new parliamentary boundary proposals, put the 'Davyhulme Sewage Works Stadium' within the Leigh constituency?

"You're only a small city in Leigh!"

Its becoming obvious that the people AT trusted and surrounded himself with completely lacked the drive to take the club forward off the field.
imo with two more seasons like this one and our gates would be around the 3000 mark.

I would disagree jc , last Thursday tells me that , that is why I was so upset , we are going to have to put up with some very depressing results in the near future , last Thursday will be a good result in comparison , hopefully the fans reaction will be more positive than what we witnessed

But we know it wont be dont we? because all the new and lapsed fans who've turned up this season thinking we've finally turned the corner will walk away again "saying" they've sucked me in again and they've spit me out again,iv'e done with em.

Not sure if you're one of the 25 so apologies...

SInce June, TB and the club have been knocking on doors and ringing up, he also asked local businees and people to contact him with offers, ideas, help and assistance in whatever way possible. The Corporate Club have been going back to their members with the begging bowl too and existing sponsors have also tipped up. Its happened mate, trust me.

Remember the additional money that came from them, well that was as a result, but as some businesses sit in both camps they can only spilt that pound note so many ways.

There is a lot going on with sponsors etc (and I;m sure some have not been contacted for whatever reason)but dont forget there is a skeleton staff now at Leigh and ony so many hours in the day. Thats no excuse when the club is in the position its in but with a thousand other things to resolve its an unfortate fact that some things will fall bewteen two stools.

Yep

Not always the case mate.

Most of the existing sponsors are Leigh fans like the rest of us and have been asked to help and in as many cases as possible have done. Dont forget, many pay up monthly by DD already - like the fans though there is only so many times you can knock on that door.

Make no mistake, TB has been bangng on every door possible. Sure there might be a couple he's missed but given his task over the last few months, its understandable.

Glad you cleared a few points up there mate. I just hope we havent missed anything out. Asking for fans to donate to a game that we didn't get to will only harm the club IMO. How do we expect fans to pay for season tickets when all the talk is we might not see 2012.

Disgraceful comment, only took us from bottom to top in 18 months, appointed a world class coach and increased gates by 25%. Ticked the box, the next 2 years were to consolidate and increase investment.

If we had got a golden ticket in 2014 does anyone think AT WOULDNT HAVE INVESTED MORE IN SL?? it's not hard to get into those SL play offs!!

It was a little Tongue in cheek but why couldn't we make it in 2015? Had we got the golden ticket in 2014? We were progressing nicely!

I dnt know about the sponsers but the players are having to pay for their own awards night.

I'll have to ask the same question again have we got any directors at this present moment? Maybe 1 of the more wealthy 1s would give us a short term loan to help us through this very tough period?

Just because we haven't heard anything 'official' yet, it doesn't mean that nothing is going on behind the scenes. We can all be assured that TB and the two 'active' directors are exploring EVERY avenue to try and get us out of the immediate predicament.

I still think that, if we can survive this, we have a bright future, with a lot of hard work, and the support that TB is 'enjoying' at the moment.

Our fan base is more than 2000 mate.Look at the average gates and is considerably higher than Leigh, even though we have not been successful.We would have had another 1000 fans if was top 2 in the league.

I think Starbug was trying to make the comparison =#FF0000IF Widnes had a gate of 2000. We know yours is much higher, and that's why he says we need to emulate you.

Personally I would like us to emulate HKR and get their 80,000 support!

So your suggestion as to how we pay the players right now the money we owe them is what exactly ?

So you expect somebody to pay over a million pounds a year into the club , just so you can watch them play in SL ?

What attendance level would we need to be self sufficient in SL and spend at the max salary cap and retain all our best players and coaching staff IYO ?

doubt that it ll be sorted dont worry and their wages too.

Get a wealthy Director to pay them!! And i don't meen you Steve its a genuine point, or even Trevor he has a few million in the bank am sure he wouldn't miss it or is it just me who would glady give the players who have given so much in such testing circumstances their wages IF I had the money???!

And where are these wealthy Directors?

At some point any right minded investor will stop funding a business if there is little or no chance of seeing a return on the investment. Sometimes it is better to simply cut your loses.

Why do the uneducated keep refering to 'investments' - Sport isnt an investment its a passion that requires external income to balance the books. You decide how much you can afford to spend on your passion until you cease to enjoy the ride. Fans do it with ST etc, sponsors with advertising etc and directors do it because they want to.

Peggy cut your losses and do one luv.

Any sound business looks at advertisment and sponsorship as an investment in their company. They are running a business for profit, the exposure gained though adverts and sponsorship hopefully generates sales.
Do you really think that Nike sponsor an event, team or individual because the CEO has a passion?



Now that Arthur T has "ceased to enjoy the ride" where does that leave Leigh RLFC?
Perhaps if the club had been run as a business with sound investment principles then the loss of AT would not have been as catastrophic?
Instead of writting cheques on request for Leigh LRLFC AT should have run the club as a business, making himself and the other Directors accountable for the long term success of the business.

Investing in the future!

Non SL RL and attractive advertisement opportunity are never likely to meet unless a owner has a link/passion eg Stobarts.
The basic principles of business, so lacking, are of course imperative but you will run a loss if you have aspirations and do not own your ground in this comp. The prudent will forecast shortfalls and have pro-active external income in place to meet most eventualities, and if things go well then it isnt needed.
AT has gone the business is being shaken, cash flow is terminal and we need income to get to a better place - either be part of the solution or do one, the past is gone and the future will be what we make it.