and was not supported in the initiatives it wanted to do , it also wasnt replaced , the ' Foundation ' is not part of the club , which was a major criticism of its founder , Mr Barton of the previous one

' Twinning ' will not comment on , other than it was a stupid idea , and whoever decided to do it should be sacked

Yes new Board , new start , clean slate , lets see what they can do

but if you do what you have always done , you will get what you have always gotten

I didn't take it that you were having a go, and thought your question alluded to the point you were making, a perfectly valid point I hasten to add; but I genuinely don't want to go over old ground, I think the BOM are aware of the mistakes of the past and have brought a vision for the future, although not fully revealed, that I can subscribe to.

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Correct, That's why If you look at when I very first came on this MB I made no secret of the fact I wanted to see a clean sweep and complete new set up.

Enough of the past we know what the mistakes were and know what to avoid lets keep moving forward and onwards.

He actually said in answer to the question 'How would you like us to play' - 'I have always liked the way StHelens play their Rugby' but lets not get facts get in the way of a good moan shall we (again).

So not that many different approaches , just different people trying the same thing

A sure sign of insanity , is to keep doing the same things , but expect a different outcome , according to Albert Einstien , that well known former scrum half

There is nothing wrong with disecting what you have done wrong , in fact it is a good thing , it will make it less likely you will do it , or something similar again , however the only person who doesnt make a mistake , is those that do nothing

Nothing ventured , nothing gained

Quote ="FredParky"He actually said in answer to the question 'How would you like us to play' - 'I have always liked the way StHelens play their Rugby' but lets not get facts get in the way of a good moan shall we (again).'" And his assistant at the time confirmed in a later interview that " we want to play like St Helens". No assistant would go against their coaches wishes when it comes to style of play. As I have the facts here m.leighreporter.co.uk/sport/leig ... k-1-681067

Quote ="FredParky"He actually said in answer to the question 'How would you like us to play' - 'I have always liked the way StHelens play their Rugby' but lets not get facts get in the way of a good moan shall we (again).'" And his assistant at the time confirmed in a later interview that " we want to play like St Helens". No assistant would go against their coaches wishes when it comes to style of play. As I have the facts here m.leighreporter.co.uk/sport/leig ... k-1-681067

Don't ever believe a word of what the papers say

since when is Paul Rowley Darren Shaw? Darren said what I wrote earlier, at that meeting Paul said nothing on the subject you were wrong admit it, dont try and fog the issue.

Darren Shaw was a nice fellow but he was not a good coach.

I remember coming back from a game at Featherstone getting home and posting on here ' "Has he gone yet". Everyone knew what I mean't. Reading that old newspaper clip it was PR who said he wanted us to play like Stains.

The team played one man Rugby in Darrens' day. I know I watched all our games when he was head coach.

So in answer to the question how would you like us to play, 'I have always liked the way StHelens play their Rugby' means what exactly???? His assistant qualifies it in another interview with "We want to play like St Helens. Now unless they are actually speaking in some sort of code it is pretty clear to me.

When did Allan ever alienate major sponsors?? Are you referring to the incident in the Kegwatch suite several years ago?

How much has this major sponsor invested in the last two years? Allan is still a shareholder who has helped the current board gain control and well thought of at the RFL being John Roddys deputy on the RL council. But don't let the truth get in the way of you having a go at Allan because he dared to upset your boss.

Why do people have a go at people who have worked there nads off keeping this club going???

If anything I print on here or elsewhere offends then dont be soft I am entitled to a point of veiw as well, if it doesnt match yours thats your fault not mine.

And the good news is that's all now history.......
We've had good decisions made, bad decisions made and good & bad luck but its in the past.

We now have what on the face of it looks like a decent looking future with some little things being done well by the current BOM / BOD who are starting to re-engage people in the town and surrounding areas and interact well with our support base (old & new).
For now that's a very good start.

Ste we all know the hard work the Rowleys have put into our club , those who don't like them are entitled to their opinions , my opinion is the Rowleys have done a very good job for a few years now ,I have known Allan since Pennington juniors ,over 50 years , and to me he has done a very good job at Leigh , his Match Host work is excellent ,and for me he does a very good job , Pauls record speaks for itself , a very Fine young man , a good player , and a good coach , who will lead Leigh on their Journey to Success , the Rowleys are doing a Good Job ,Charlie knows .

So you admit you got your original post wrong?

In relation to Darren Shaw, people forget that SCL had gone t**s up less than 12 months after Derek Beaumont and Steve Blakely quit the board. We had a day of mass resignations and we did not have a club or any players.

Arthur Thomas then came in and literally pulled SCL out the quagmire. Darren Shaw was given 4 weeks before the start of the season to build a team on a shoe string after all the other clubs had finalised their player recruitment. One of his successes was to bring through the likes of Adam Higson and Ian Mort.

He did remarkably well on a pittance and given the circumstances he found the club in IMO. Lets not forget Paul Rowley was head coach when we we should of been relegated to Championship 1 by finishing second from bottom. Only Gatehead folding saved us from that scenario. Shaw avoided that fate by winning enough gams to stay in this league on merit.

So are people saying Rowley is a bad coach as a result of that relegation situation now? Of course not.

Some people are very harsh.

Ups and downs Harold old luv. They come and go. In Pauls defence, did he not take over the team from someone else so thats a bit harsh and he was thrown in at the deep end. I have never really been a coach knocker unless they have done the dirty on us and having been away most of Darens time here I couldn't comment on the type of rugby we were playing. I was there though on that day when we got promotion to SL and if that is the only thing he ever did for this club he will do for me.

THe other thing about Darens time at Leigh and the recruitment. He was stuffed by the RFL over the players that Leigh were in for but were guzumpt by London Broncos, knowing they were going into administratiuon and taken over. They never had a points reduction and the contracts that had been signed should have been null and void.

Facts and assumption are two very different things, I know which I prefer, and always try and deal in.

You could have actually argued that the coach did say that as Rowley was later appointed coach and Shaw as manager but of course that happened both after the LISA meeting where Darren was alleged to have said what you wrote, and the quote in the Reporter that you reffered to, missed a trick there ehh


Have a nice day.

No. You never EVER tell a customer their money is not wanted. The customer is always right....even when they are wrong! Alienating just one customer is unforgivable. It has a knock on effect long term to your business and word soon gets around about what type of company you are like to deal with. If one of my salespeople did that they would be picking their P45 up from my office.

Who did he hack off?

The only time a customer is wrong though is when he/she bases their opinions on falsehoods and twisted truths. You can try and cotrect them by showing them the actual facts, if they still refuse to listen what do you do then to part them from their money?

Paul Rowley is an excellent young coach. He's honest and professional and quietly improving his skills. He's Leigh through and through.
He took the coaching role over halfway through a season and it was only because Donlan's fair try was ruled out at Gateshead that we finished in the relegation spot that season.

Allan Rowley is Leigh through and through and he is an excellent speaker and host at the sponsor and visitors match reception.