Do you see us beating Fev then? I don't

Now we were told yesterday that it was the 1st game for York by their fans and the lad who was doing the kicking was there on trial and he asked could his mate come along for a trial as well and it was that big begger causing us problems ,he plays ametuer rugby and that came from the lads dad(the kicker) .Oh and another thing their second try was'nt one ,he put it down on the side line which the York fans agreed with but it was'nt that which bothered me it was the fact that they were in a position to score tries on numerous occasions but fluffed them thank goodness and i think that we must have notched up the most knock-ons in 1 game ,it was very embarressing to watch ,just wish it had been foggy like at STs so we could have missed most of it

Also heard we are getting the dual players next week from Warrington and 1 from another club ,well i bl@@dy well hope so .

Mitchell
Blythe
Holland
McCarthy

We COULD also have signed 13 internationals but we didnt so he has to work with whom he and others signed but obviously the head coach didnt see it as a priority or could it be there was no money left in the 'kitty', hindsight is a wonderful thing.

But many of us poor speccies knew that some of our current squad were not good enough or fast enough so why did whoever signed them not see it?

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Pace n Power in the words of the Legend Tommy Sale, its a great pity that the majority
of the current squad dont have either of those, not helped by playing a one dimensional stand off who,s play can be read like a Janet n John book, get Ridyard into the stand off position and things will improve always better having a halfback who can do the unpredictibale like Ridyard can , put Hartley in centre with Alstead on the wing
and explain to the rest that they have to up the anti and put the oppo on the back foot
with smart plays and 100% more commitment to make up for their lack at this present time
of the TWO P,s

I'll probably get shot down for this but isn't everyone being all doom and gloom on here? Yes Robbie and the side was awful but it's still early days and we will improve and I don't think Robbie will played a game as poor as that for some years,for some to say he's a waste of money, should of got somebody else etc is deluded IMO.

Keep the faith.

01942 487887 ask for coaching department and speak to someone who may have an answer to the question unfortunately I do not nor i would suggest has anyone on here.

im as down about yesterdays game as the next person but to be writing us off before the seasons even started? well that seems a bit silly to me.
if we're still as bad come may/june then i may join in

some of em thrive on doom and gloom Wayne

I don't know whether my post is worded badly, but i'm not one of the doom and gloom crew.

Its far too early and the team has had far too much disruption, injuries, weather etc for us to be doom and gloom, Look at Leeds and Saints not the best starts with all the money they have spent it happens to every team.
Stick with it.

This too early to tell business was what we said last season.

At least our crowds improved whilst we were trying to avoid relegation.

Well we stayed up but only because Gateshead went bust.

I am as loyal as anyone but yesterday was an absolute shambles.I hope we are not having the same sort of thread after next weeks game.

Perhaps it should be made a sticky?

I went to the game yesterday, like many other loyal fan's! Well done everyone but we deserve a lot better don't you think?

So tell me what has changed from last season? We still run up the middle all the time, all individuals that can't break a tackle, too slow when passing the ball, line out please will someone tell them what one is and how to move and run on the ball, Arggghhh and we haven't a clue on the try line. I counted in the second half we had three sets of six on their line and we had just no idea, clueless!

Every team can read us like a book, ha they don't even have to do their homework we just dish up all the same old dross game in game out. SHOCKING

Ian, sorry mate you have inherited a crock of crap, I would say out of all the squad you have 5 maybe 6 players who are half decent.

Wayne, I too realise that it's very early days, but my current concern is that we are displaying similar limitations to last season - i.e. lack of penetration and pace, in key positions. Hopefully the 'dual contract' signings will go some way to remedying our inadequacies, although we ought to bear in mind that these new guys are only youngsters, and we may just be placing very high expectations on them.

He inherited a lot worse 1st time round, be patiant and he will sort it - if his hearts in it

What i could'nt understand yesterday was why when the opposition started to get tired (which they did and thats why we scored )why did no-one think about chipping the ball over for Stanton or Rydyard to chase ,the size of those forwards would have had no chance,it was the same at the very last play when Leigh kept it alive ,it was crying out for a chip over.

I wasn't asking you personally Fred and I don't need the views of the coaching staff because it is obviously different to that of many fans. We are not coaches but have been watching RL for long enough to judge a players abilities.
As for thriving on doom & gloom - what else have we been given to live on over the last few years? I was at York and I was embarassed / frustrated / annoyed watching that load of garbage. After looking forward so much to this season with positive news re: coach, players, youngsters signed etc and a definite feel good (or feel better) factor I am quickly getting back to reality - we are no better than last season or the season before (possibly worse). Yesterday we started with what IM must have considered to be our strongest back line and they stunk! We have no one better to add to that line up except the Ridyard / Hartley swap. That's my reason to be all doom & gloom. I personally don't thrive on it though - I just want my team to compete at Championship level (not ar$ed about getting into SL to be honest) - just turning out a team that we should be turning out - not an average div. 1 team.
Looking back a couple of seasons we replaced average players like Maden, Alstead, McConnell & Duffy. We called Nanyn e when he was at Widnes. We had a team of entertainers, Grix, Miles Greenwood, Lee Greenwood, Gaskell etc and we tonked Widnes several times by large scores. We lose those players and get back the earlier mentioned ones and surprise surprise

look where we are again. We deserve better - small clubs like Batley & Dewsbury will turn out teams better than us this season on home crowds of 400-800 -surely that isn't right!

Rant over - FRUSTRATED FOLLOWER HOME & AWAY for many years so I have the right to moan.

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People are sick of payin good money to watch CR-P ...RUGBY LEAGUE

If you werent asking me why refer to my post? so you wont ask the question or put your point to people who may just have the answer? maybe just maybe we cant afford those sort of players anymore because of the salary cap? or have you forgot we got all the players mentioned on the cheap because most of them were trying to make a name for themselves and have since priced themselves out of our 'market' again dont speculate ask the people who can answer the questions Basil will be at the next LISA meeting ask him.
Or are your just interested in moaning? why go ahead and suffocate in that world when theres no need as the man to answer your questions does make himself available to the fans.
And where did you get those figures from re Dewsbury and Batley both pulled far more in than those figures, income wise we are a very poor club as the only real income stream avilable is the lottery and gates, take away AT's money and we really would be an average div 1 team.
Most wanted Basil back, well he's here but he's no miracle worker, ask him about the recruitment policy, he doesn't bite.

in fairness though, whats the point of travelling from your home in yorkshire, over to leigh, to make an even further journey to york??

you're looking at three hours on the road before kick off, and thats a non starter

OK Fred, Batley played Widnes, possibly their best crowd of the season? They usually get 4-500 home fans plus any away fans. Dewsbury crowds have been around 8/900 for the last season or two.

As for asking questions, can I say that in a statement i don't always expect an answer. If I say to my mate "Why the hell didn't he pass that ball?" I don't expect him to say "Ask the coach or the player themselves, they will be available in the bar afterwards, stop moaning and ask the right people".

Isn't this Forum for fans to discuss/moan/praise etc ? Why are we always spoken to like kids at school by one or two certain posters?

Fred,

With reference to what we can/can't afford to spend on players. There's an interesting feature in Sunday's programme, from Gareth Walker, who quotes interviews with Ged Stokes, (Whitehaven coach) Carl Hall, (Doncaster CEO) and Mark Sawyer (Dewsbury CEO). They argue that the days of big contract payments in the Championship are gone, and that there is a glut of players available, who are more willing to play for less. Maybe that's the way we have gone, maybe not, but the suggestion is that there is some relatively cheap talent out there, if you look for it.