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| Quote ="Binosh"hhhmmmm seems to me Andy Mazey (SRW) cannot do right for doing wrong, if he had not engaged in this thread to clarify the situation clearly, rightly or wrongly so then all you same POSTERS/FANS/MOANERS would have started a thread stating a lack of transparency from the club regarding this matter!!!
Make your minds up please this crap is tedious, we now have fans running the club with the best will at heart which like to engage with other fans and and have a open arms policy in regards to feedback.
He quite clearly states the clubs stance on this situation ans although may not be titled communications director is acting in that manner and quashing rumour quickly. good lad i say keep it up, keep us informed and move the club forward!!'"
Don't worry Binosh. The vast majority (well just about everyone actually) are very happy to have Andy and anyone else directly involved with the club, posting on this forum. It is great to have rumor answered from the source and has already headed off several threads that in the past would have spiraled out of control.
My personal opinion is that there has always been a very small minority on this forum who post only to goad people into reaction and cause argument. I support their freedom of speech but question their motives. Constructive criticism is healthy for this forum and the club, and I have seen it quickly accepted on this forum by Andy, Maurice and others. Endless personal attacks, and name calling do nothing for the the club or this forum. It seems that a couple of posters go further right now and are actually trying to de-rail the great step forward taken by the new BOM. Each to their own but in my mind they need to look in the mirror and ask why they are really doing it.
Call me a Placky Leyther, a member of the gang, what ever you want for that matter, I don't give a fluff. Keep on posting Andy, Maurice and all please. Don't rise to the bait of some and continue to acknowledge the constructive criticism of others.
Now back on topic. Ryan is without doubt a SL player. I'm not sure he is ready tomorrow, but he will be very soon. I really, really hope that we can hold on to him as he is one of the players that will project us onward and upward as things now begin to change in the structure of the leagues. I urge the BOM to do what ever they can to keep him on board as he will put bums on seats with his style of play.
To Ryan I say, if you choose to move to a SL club then choose very carefully. You will get offers from many in the future, you are that good mate. However, consider them all carefully and don't go for short term gain over long term happiness and support. Staying with Leigh could tick all the boxes in the very near future from what I'm seeing lately from the BOM.
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| Back to topic, I actually think going to Cas would be a good move for RYan. I think he's quite a way to go yet before he's a SL player and the full time training etc. that Cas would provide would get him there quicker than if he stayed at Leigh. I also assume he would be on better money there. If he went to a top SL team, he would just end up back at a Championship team as part of the DR (or whatever it's called now). With Cas he has a chance of at least a few first team appearances I think.
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| Quote ="Nostradamus's lad"You always agree with him. I hit ignore because he never engaged anything constructive simply repeating his garbage in every discussion taking place
This club is where it is, some of us want to help move it forward others kill it, I want a club I have watched from being 5 with many of my family who are no longer here to become better not die, which seems to be his goal and yours. If I have made the wrong assumption I look forward to you telling me what you are doing to help it prosper'"
You have made the wrong assumption. I also love the club. I have watched Leigh home and away for the last 45 years. Just recently however there have been decisions made that I disagree with so strongly I can't stand by and watch it happen without strongly voicing my opinion.
The loss of P&R has killed the game at this level for me. Every game is a friendly.
I do not agree with DR players or us being told which Wigan reserve players we have to play.
Please don't assume that everyone who doesn't agree with you is trying to kill the club. That isn't true. But also don't get led into a fall sense of complacency by the few sychophants who post regularly on here. There are 4,000 people out there who watched Leigh at Widnes in the GF when we beat Whitehaven, they have opinions as well and I'll think the majority of them will agree with me (and even Wysiwyg). It is them you have to win round. I actually think you are going in the right direction, but don't under estimate the task.
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| I've pressed the Ignore Button but there is still a lot of tripe coming through.
What's that? Select the Ignore Plastic Wigginers button?
Right, I've ticked it. Thanks.
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| I was just studying 'advocatus diaboli's' second positing when suddenly the screen 'refreshed', as though another post had come through, but nothing appeared!!
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| Tripe still coming through.
What's that? Press Ignore BOM/BOD/BIF/ZAP/KAPOW
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| Use of the ignore button when someone isn't toeing the party line surely gives a false sense of accord. Ignoring dissenters isn't the correct way, much better to read and rebuke.
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| Holy Plastic Wigginers, Batman!!!!
BOM - BOD - BIF - ZAP - KAPOW!!!! It works.
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| Quote ="advocatus diaboli"You have made the wrong assumption. I also love the club. I have watched Leigh home and away for the last 45 years. Just recently however there have been decisions made that I disagree with so strongly I can't stand by and watch it happen without strongly voicing my opinion.
The loss of P&R has killed the game at this level for me. Every game is a friendly.
I do not agree with DR players or us being told which Wigan reserve players we have to play.
Please don't assume that everyone who doesn't agree with you is trying to kill the club. That isn't true. But also don't get led into a fall sense of complacency by the few sychophants who post regularly on here. There are 4,000 people out there who watched Leigh at Widnes in the GF when we beat Whitehaven, they have opinions as well and I'll think the majority of them will agree with me (and even Wysiwyg). It is them you have to win round. I actually think you are going in the right direction, but don't under estimate the task.'"
So you intend to change P&R by putting your club in a weaker position ?
Why do you believe Wigan tell us who to play?
Why does your staying away help the club have choices regarding DR, surely it takes the choices away- in effect your actions force DR on the club next year?
There were 30000 at wembley in 71 27000 of which weren't there the following season, we have a town full of whingers like you looking for excuses and being a part of the disease whilst believing they hold the cure
I applaud your stance but why don't you put a couple of hundred quid a year into LISA to show your support of your club and help them stay alive and have choices ?
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| Nostra, if they can't be bothered to read press releases and interviews with the people concerned why bother replying. Some are basing there absence purely on NON factual information. I have long stated that people not coming have helped put the club in the position the new BOM are trying to lift us from. If the reason is valid then fine, if its clearly invalid then we will never get them back anyway.
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| Spot on Demon.
It really bugs me they keep saying Wigan insist on who of their players have to be in our side. Why ?
Only thing I do agree with them on is that no promotion or relegation to the top league is damaging our game.
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| Frank it depends which way you look at it. For arguments sake say we want Player X but he's carrying water for W***n that week - we get offered Player Y or whoever they decide to make available instead. OK we always have the option not to use Player Y, but the point is our "partners" decide on a whim who's available to us on a weekly basis, so in that sense they do dictate who we are able to play. The old system of loans was much better but didn't offer as much control to the SL clubs.
Personally I haven't stayed away from any games or cancelled LISA/Lifeline etc over it, or as I agree those courses of action only hurt our club. However that isn't to say I support the DC system or our partnership with our neighbours - far from it. The club also shouldn't assume that the current fanbase is all in favour of duals and partnerships, just because we didn't all spit our dummies out.
My biggest current gripe with it at the moment is that we're also letting DR's take up spots in our U21s - spots we should be using to develop our own players. We already know we're losing Hoppy at the end of the season & should be pushing development of our own youngsters even harder with a view to accelerating the next one through to play for us next season - Bate, for example looks a good prospect and is no doubt the result of a lot of hard work in our youth setup. Identifying and signing our own young prospects offers the biggest benefit to development in general as it gives a chance to players who weren't initially snapped up by the W***n's etc, and hopefully results in players that would be contracted to Leigh should they make the grade. Any DR player in a U21 spot for me is preventing us developing one of our own, for very little benefit to their parent club, whilst also working against the interests of our own club, and so for me is just wrong.
While dual reg's are the flavour of the month I can see an argument that says we may have to put up with them. But I certainly don't like our current situation with them. IMO we should use them as little as possible, certainly not become reliant on them (as I feel we have with 1 of our forward spots each week), not allow them to prevent our own players stepping up (first example comes to mind I still haven't seen an answer as to what young Hill did wrong in the first team however no further opportunities since, while we've seen Lloyd & others brought into the team on occasions). And finally we should not let them interfere with our own development of our own young players in the U21s.
Apologies for the rant, and for continuing the deviation from the topic about Ryan btw
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| Theres a big difference in meaning in Wigan tell us who we have to play and Wigan tell us who is available. It has been said ad infinitum Paul will not play someone who will not improve thw side that particular day.
If they have stayed away because of no P&R that has helped to put the club they love at a disadvantage now P&R may return in 2015.
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| Quote ="Nostradamus's lad"So you intend to change P&R by putting your club in a weaker position ?
Why do you believe Wigan tell us who to play?
Why does your staying away help the club have choices regarding DR, surely it takes the choices away- in effect your actions force DR on the club next year?
There were 30000 at wembley in 71 27000 of which weren't there the following season, we have a town full of whingers like you looking for excuses and being a part of the disease whilst believing they hold the cure
I applaud your stance but why don't you put a couple of hundred quid a year into LISA to show your support of your club and help them stay alive and have choices ?'"
I don't believe I can change P&R, but raise it since this is the biggest reason I and many others have had less interest in RL over the last few seasons. I know there's nothing you can do about directly but it's part of the massive obstacle you have in trying to get people back.
Wembley is completely different, of course there were thousands of Leythers there who'd never been to a game beofre in their lives and have probably never been since, but you can't compare that to the GF in Widnes. Of the 6000 at Widnes I'm sure a large proportion of those could be persuaded to watch under the right circumstances.
I am in the lifeline and have been since it started. I've also been to the last 2 homes games, as my love of Leigh has overcome my dislike of us playing Wigan reserves, so don't preach to me about money. I may not be able to make the investment the BoM are able to make, but that doesn't make me any less entitled to an opinion or make me out to harm the club.
Incidently, I believe Wigan effectively do tell us who to play since they tell us who they have available and we play them.
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| Quote ="advocatus diaboli"I don't believe I can change P&R, but raise it since this is the biggest reason I and many others have had less interest in RL over the last few seasons. I know there's nothing you can do about directly but it's part of the massive obstacle you have in trying to get people back.
Wembley is completely different, of course there were thousands of Leythers there who'd never been to a game beofre in their lives and have probably never been since, but you can't compare that to the GF in Widnes. Of the 6000 at Widnes I'm sure a large proportion of those could be persuaded to watch under the right circumstances.
I am in the lifeline and have been since it started. I've also been to the last 2 homes games, as my love of Leigh has overcome my dislike of us playing Wigan reserves, so don't preach to me about money. I may not be able to make the investment the BoM are able to make, but that doesn't make me any less entitled to an opinion or make me out to harm the club.
Incidently, I believe Wigan effectively do tell us who to play since they tell us who they have available and we play them.'"
You can help leigh get into SL by being part of the club which you have again started to do, that gets my respect plus lottery
We can only change what we can impact on and finance will restrict those options hence not supporting the club could exclude us from promotion or having the option of DR etc
Welcome back
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| Wigan give us a list of who we can have it's Pauls choice of who he plays or if he picks any .........what part of this is hard to understand
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| Wrong AGAIN advo. We were offered the RU player they got from Sale for last weeks game at Donny. Paul said no thanks........ ...#wastingourtimewithpeoplewhorefusetoacceptfacts
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| Just to put this to bed please listen carefully.
Paul Rowley chooses his squad nobody else!
Wigan offer us a selection of u24s players and he chooses who if any he wants to add value to our team.
When the RFL brought in the rules on Duals only being allowed from One "Partner Club" other SL clubs in our area had already signed and agreed partnerships and we were trying to avoid having any according to the "Facts" I have seen in minutes from meetings prior to the BOM takiing over which Steve Openshaw will verify.
When things transpired against the club I.e cancelled friendlies, lower than expected attendances coupled with injuries to key personel and big signings I.e Aspy, Paul and the management at the time had no choice.
I've stood on the terraces and sang the songs and booed Wigan and trust me it's under consideration I've discussed it only tonight with Steve Openshaw who like me is a leyther and proud. If we can make it work for the club as whole we will get rid of DR and the Wigan link gladly but lets be clear we have respect for Wigan and a good relationship behind the scenes and the reality is until we get another 400/500 fans per game in the stadium week in week out then we need it far more than Wigan do!!!!
Just 400 paying fans more per game would mean five more squad members on contract for Rowls and more fiance to put towards our youth.
Regards our own 20s we often use trailists they can come from Wigan to Wath Brow and on occasions have to use them due to injuries.
What really winds Steve and our staff up is when we/I read people saying get James Hill for example in the team when in reality he has moved south for work reasons Steve and Paul inform me, great shame but reality of semi professional sport and the door is always open for him and he's welcome back.
Ive stood on terraces and had my doubts and wondered what goes on thats why i come on here to give my fellow leythers a view and to try amd communicate with you. Reality is lack of P&R has effected the game, the RFL are addressing this for 2015 but we need to kick on and be ready or P&R will be irrelevant anyway.
In summary cutting aside bitter twisted individuals the majority of people appreciate what we are trying to do and we are we're we are and are lucky to have a team as had we not stepped in there most likely would not have been a team to support by now let alone a final to look forward to.
The BOM are assessing the big picture and leaving no stone unturned rest assured and plans are being put in place to move the club forward and are fully committed as a team to deliver for the people of Leigh. Keith and Trevor held the club together with a shoe string and the BOM have picked up the club now but need fans current and old to support us and help us show the RFL that we are strong enough as a town, team and wider community to be we're we all want to be so please join us and get behind us we can't do it alone!!!
Not turning up does not help anyone, the BOM are leythers just like everyone else it's not our club it's the fans club and the towns team we are simply custodians of it trying hard to get us to we're we all want to be so please join us!!!
Regards
Andy Mazey & Steve Openshaw
For and Behalf of the BOM
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| Perfect reply to the constant misinformation being spread.
One suggestion Andy, maybe make this statement again on a thread of it's own so the clear message is seen by all and not lost on page 8.
Yet another example of why BOM should continue to communicate on this Forum
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| So now SL is shrinking I presume Ryan knows he is better off staying at a club where the fans want him and not bother commuting to Castleford every day ?
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| Thanks Andy - once more an example of how useful and informative it is to have a member of the BOM communicate with us on this forum.
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| Excellent post Andy & Steve - thanks for clarifying things.
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| Great post Andy and very happy that you do post on here .Keep it up please .
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