We was taklking about this during game. I am unsure about these DC's, as you can accept injuries and suspensions but another club deciding what your team is going to be is just plain strange, and mnust be difficult to work with because of uncertainty.

They have given us a false position and a false sense of grandure and with Robbie Pauls early season form have made Millward the Messiah despite not really doing much.

We were no better tonight than last season and lacked any ideas near the line and made Batleys defence look good.

Err sorry, but Batley's defence didn't just look good, it was outstanding.

it can't be good knowing that you've lost your place to a player (for a big game) that hasn't played for us recently. Mitchell & McCarthy I would not have picked, hardly regulars.

I'm not sure who you could of played tonight at scrum half , but Robbie Paul should not of played ,nowhere near fit enough or confident about his injury to be on the pitch .

I still think that the GF is a realistic traget for you , as it is for anybody who makes the 6 . This league is very very even and if you are not 100% at the races on any given day you will lose .

The Vicar

the problem is if you dont use the dc and go with ur own players now, is that they ave been playing res rugby and will take a month to get upto speed with first team rugby and the fans will give them grief which will knock ther confidence. the likes of mort,durbin, ainscough ( not included nash,meekin as they ave been injured ) shud ave been given more game time over the dc as for as im concerned thers no differance than wen clubs wer bringin over rated aussies in as a quick fix

The problem is your dual registered players are only average. Widnes with Ainscough, Farrell and Davies have the better deal.

Please do not take this the wrong way but tell me which player are you referring to?

I thought our half backs strugggled infact it shows you should not be selected if you are not 100 % fit.

We played badly. Batley were solid and too many of our players had bad games. Goulden and Taylor getting knocks early doors did not help. We had not one player tonight who played to their potential.

One or two of our lads were dire. Batley were better all across the park. Oh and less than 2000 Leythers for this game is even worse than the display we saw tonight.

We were shocking last week.Tonight it was the same. Ah well it happens although I am not a happy bunny to put it mildly.

Excuse Rogues Gallery he is the most biased wiganer ever to grace these message boards and although i don't fully agree with his point their is an element of truth in it.
Bringing in 4 'young' dual contract players who have played a handfull of full games in super league between them is a risk if you ask me. The championship is a big step up from Academy / reserves which is what the majority of these wire kids have been playing generally.
Rogues rightly stated that they are not what you would call 'gamebreakers' either.
Have seen a bit of Ainscough and i do like him, but talk about thick as pig....he has the brains of a small rodent. Farrell I like him too and Davies not bad either.
Relying on a bunch of young kids will be the downfall of Leigh

It's a good job Shawy isn't in charge Frank, you'd be spitting feathers!

Normally a fan, but was he on the pitch tonight?

i too am a fan, but he was shocking last week for wire against rovers, and i said to my mates that tony smith would " farm him out" this week.................no good to us though if his confidence is low.............whilst i would obviously like to watch players like "unit" over morrison, the DC lark only favours the S/L clubs, and makes gameplans uncertain.

lee mitchell.

personally I'd send them all back and bring in some loanees at least three being backs.

I think I'm inclined to agree with you. At the beginning of the season the DCs were not getting in their Super League teams and they were very commited to our cause. Last night I thought they lacked that commited desire and looked jaded. We just cannot continue with the threequarters we have availiable, last night the Batley wingers were absolutely ourstanding in attack and defence! Every team appears to have pace other than ours, it is an urgent priority now so, the forwards may have to be sacrificed to improve our team.

I also feel that the D/C system heavily favours the SL clubs. Ged Stokes (although he may not be the best example to follow!) has said that he will no longer countenance D/C deals - he is opting for loans, where he is guaranteed the player for at least a month.

As for our D/C players - well, Mitchell and Emmitt have been getting a lot of SL rugby lately, so they must have something, given that they are turning out for top SL teams. Obviously, they are picking up bad habits there!!

I agree except would keep Emmitt (particularly at the moment)... but who might we get in? We certainly need some real pace at centre or wing.

Keep Blythe and Emmitt and drop the other 2 as we hardly ever see them........ sign a speedy winger and a H/B on duel or loan to replace....I`d go for Penny as out of favour at Wire (will score more than he lets in)....... poss look at Brad Drew also.

The money we pay for DC's is akin to a reserve players salary at this level. These deals are much cheaper than loan deals. It is financially a very good deal for the club. For example if we wanted to get a player of the standard of Blythe on a contract we would have to pay twice/three times what we do now! Plus Blythe trains during the day with the Wire first team and then comes to us in the evenings. He gets all the physio and recovery resources that Wire have and it costs us nothing. The only down side is that he may get called up to first team duty and miss playing for us. We can not afford to sign another player under the current salary cap, fact. So would I rather have the four DC's we currrently have or one avereage Championship player?

Just a neccessary evil at the moment , would I prefer to not have them ? , Yes , but there are not many clubs at our level that can afford to turn them down , hopefully one day the competition and the clubs in it will be strong enough to refuse what is a very lob sided deal

I'd avoid a dual contract halfback at all costs, look at Kyle Wood and Batley, he only played 2 games for them. That would be worse than not having one due to the amount of time a half would have to take to get used to calls etc.

Personally, I dont like the system.

There is no doubt they add quality to the team (I'd sign the lot if we could ever afford them) but its only short term gain, provides uncertain team selection, and unsettle fringe players.

If I was in the first team squad, busting my balls in training but being kept out by a loan player, and only getting a first team call when he wasn't available, how can you build up experience and match fitness?

I'm sure Basil thinks its the only option open to him with a wafer thin squad, but at the end of the day it's another step away from the Championship being a breeding ground for the SL elite.

Wood played almost all games but just on the bench as he was not first choice 7 and was used at six and Handforth moved to 9.

Well we would not be second thats for sure without them but having said that i think its caused a lot of disruption within the team or thats what it looks like but only those close to the team will know whether it has or not ,if we could manage a decent run with them it would definately be to our advantage .

why are you so obsessed with us at the moment ?
your last 22 posts have been on our forum.
you should be concerned why Leeds lost at home to '2nd rate' Aussies Crusaders.
Obviously RHINO has nothing to do with Leeds. Who do you support Fat Boy ?