And yet you're the one who spends so much time trawling this site - mmm let me think!!

Now now dont get your knickers in a twist, you know im right in what i say.

See the Leyther Matt post, he isnt obsessed.

Don't drag me in to it, WantstobeaLeytherMon

My knickers are definitely without twist Vikingman - and it's good be obsessed about something - you never know I might become obsessed with you!!

Matt that's the quote of the day.

must have been a lot of 'free' tickets or Hull fans.
as for Vikingman's comments, he usually talks sense. Celtic do NOT deserve to be in Super League. You should know that better than anyone.

But they are so why keep going on about them?


They also currently get bigger crowds than you and us.


We do however have better grounds.

Finding someone to use the free tickets is going to be tough enough for them this year.

... and 'better looking' fans !!!

Well done to the welsh for 5000+ crowd bigger than ours.

Their opening results make me fear for them, though... if this is their best shot, early doors, then what happens in a couple of months when they have a few injuries and other teams hot their straps?

It could be that they click and it's ok. But at this point it reminds me too much of our season in SL. 5,000 is a decent crowd, but if they keep losing, how many will keep watching? I know a lot of SL club fans will make a trip to South Wales this time around, but again, once the novelty's worn off it will be below Catalans, London and Edinburgh in the pecking order...

...we'll see. I hope it works. But were I at RLHQ, at this point I'd be concerned.

Whilst it would be better had they started with a home win I was surprised at that attendance to be honest.

It,s all very well however for LeighLeigh to crow about it being a bigger attendance than our opening Superleague(as it then was) fixture but I would remind him that game would not have been played had it not been televised. I bet I wasn,t the only one who thought they had hypothermia that night.

There,s another thing which "expansionists" overlook and that is despite us getting tonked week in and week out we still took lots of supporters to away games.

I understand that CC were sent 100 tickets for their opening game at Salford and returned 96 of them.

Regular viewers of this site willl know I think franchising will fail but if CC don,t finish bottom in Non Relegation League then despite my views of their fast tracking. Then good luck to them.

Southend, Carisle, and Mansfield next?

well why not they have wasted money there as well before and only once in the first two's instance not umpteen times like in Wales.

Of course official ttendance figures could never be manipulated one way or another could they????

I mean it never happened at Hilton Park did it????

Well I for one hope they lose every game, crowds drop off to below 2000 and it all goes t!ts up and they go bust. They don't deserve to be in SL, they know it, we know it and Richard Lewis knows it. The sooner they fail the sooner we can call for his resignation.

He is, always on this site that lad

....Nottingham, Scarborough, Blackpool, Chorley, Trafford Borough, Paris...

...Gateshead abandoned by the RFL, saved by the local supporters.... Sheffield likewise.... Keighley cheated out of their deserved promotion... ...Hemel Hempstead never given the support they deserved despite funding their own development officer as long ago as 1989...

...the London team based in Fulham.. no, Chiswick... no, Crystal Palace... no, Barnet... no, Brentford... no, Charlton... no, Brentford... no, Twickenham...

...and that's only the last two decades...

Still, at least the national side is improving..... oh, hang on.... but wait, this is all Dickie Lewis' masterplan.... we've seen this before...???

...I remember now! What happened to the tennis under the great Dick himself!!!! So, we'll only get rid of that Dick when... GB lose to Ecuador!!!!


You read it here first.

frank, hope you have tongue in cheek regarding the highlighted. If we get cr@p attendances I will say so, and doesn't make me any less of a supporter than the ones that made excuses for our crowds during SL2005. I was at every game bar 2 (home and away), so I know how the crowds went also.




Yes it was damn cold at HP that night but I watched rmi season before last a night game (forget who against

) but it was just as cold then - and they never used this excuse for small crowd


What annoys me on this board is constant negativity towards certain clubs, RFL and Lewis etc when its all history now. The 2 best teams from last season went up anyway. Lets just let it go, and concentrate on our own club.

Come on Fred, you have posted similar b4. Name 1 failed Welsh club bankrolled by rfl in the summer era.

Are you one of the Expansionist trolls from VT.............

Well I agree with your last 2 sentences however how many quota places did CC have last season? Answer not necessary of course.



We are never going to agree on franchising and currently we are stuck with it. Lets wait and see how good it is. Just hope beleve it or not that you are right.

Ahhh no RL before SL, Gee what was that I started watching in 1964?

Dont lump me with the 'we were cheated' brigade I said two years before that going up in SL would rip us apart and it did, I never expected it.
Just wish that the RFL had given some of that money wasted by ALL SL clubs to where its needed and thats at grass roots level.

Lets just now move on, and build up a Team and a SUPPORT BASE, worthy of SL.......
All those stay away 'so called 'supporters, can stay away if leigh make the big time again.
We should be setting an example,as opposed to using examples.

The rfl sometimes choose not to see the grassroots growing all around them.... Mr Chairman you will know more than most that our beloved Centurions have not always been the smartest with their dabblings in the junior academy... but apparently Mr Lewis thinks this means there is no youth development in Leigh.

Might I suggest that a strong SL Leigh would, perhaps, be the single best recruiting campaign for the junior setups at Easts and Miners? Albeit that Leigh's exceptionally strong amateur clubs are way ahead of the game in what they do for the development of the sport.

Part of my issue with the Welsh setup is that there is very little at the grassroots (there are more amateur teams in Leigh than in the whole of Wales). SL will create heat and light wherever its franchises are set up, but without the likes of Easts and Miners to provide the kindling and fan the flames, it's not necessarily going to catch hold.

We have two of the best if not the best Amateur set ups in the country here, both should be able to 'tap into' the knowledge base that is at the Leigh Centurions and visa versa, no ego's, no bad blood from years ago, a new beggining is the ONLY way forward, I appreciate money is a problem for clubs at the Centurions level but other assistance should be there that the amateurs can use.

Lets face it apart from at a few clubs jnr development is patchy at best where as the local amateur clubs are ready made pools of talent (and knowledge) at all ages and a bit of working together for the benefit of the sport should be the priority, cause if it dont happen there will end up being just SL and BARLA and the sport at semi pro level will fizzle and die, and talks should start immediately to stop the rift between RL and BARLA getting bigger because it is.