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| Quote ="Tipster Ste"Don't disagree gates need to improve Steve and I'm confident they will in the structure. Realistically you can't achieve SL gates until your in it though.
What I disagree with completely is you saying were miles away from SL under AT and even now? Is this purely based off attendance?'"
It is attendances that underpin most of your income streams, the best supported clubs tend to sell the biggest sponsirship deals, the most merchandise and so on
Last season our attendances jumped back up to their ' normal ' level, the next stage is to break the 3,000 , which we might well do, but we need the club to drive the increases, not just necessarily the competition we are in
Is it easier to build a support base when winning in a lower comp, than struggling in a higher one?
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| Quote ="maurice"Ste IMO we were miles away from SL under AT, we had nothing below his generosity'"
While we do seem more organised than in the past, we have never had the level of central funding to play with that we have next year, it is that primarily that gives Dereck the opportunity to try and fulfil his and our dreams for Leigh Centurions, I sincerely hope it works for him
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| Shoot for the stars and if you miss you'll end up on the moon? Astronomically speaking the odds of that are well..er...astronomical. more likely you would end up going round in circles in orbit for a very, very long time.
Besides, who wants to be on the moon anyway? If you want to visit a vast, inhospitable and barren terrain, then Odsal is a lot closer, you know.
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| Quote ="leyther forever"Leyther Matt "forever the man with the voice of reason and common sense"
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Your cheque's in the post
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| It never ceases to amaze me how we never seem to be able to completely get away from negativety on this forum.Mish, I do not know you personaly,and you are certainly entitled to your opinion,but during last season on here you were so positive of where this club was going and what the BOM was doing so I am not sure what is changing your mind,if anything is.Everyone on here was trying to encourage the lapsed fans to come back to the club and support them and forget about who or what was stopping them,but mish you seem at the moment to be one of them.I don't doubt for one minute you would stop supporting the team,but I cant understand why you are being slightly negative towards the people who are running the club.Look forward to another great season and lets enjoy the ride.
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| Quote ="Starbug"While we do seem more organised than in the past, we have never had the level of central funding to play with that we have next year, it is that primarily that gives Dereck the opportunity to try and fulfil his and our dreams for Leigh Centurions, I sincerely hope it works for him'"
Its a number of streams, but the central funding is the largest, the cash shirt sponsorship is something like 5x 2013 also
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| Quote ="maurice"Its a number of streams, but the central funding is the largest, the cash shirt sponsorship is something like 5x 2013 also'"
Ultimatly its bums on seats that is the most important long term income stream for any sports club looking to susstain itself
That probably tells us more about how far we had fallen, how does it compare to 2002/4/6?
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| What did it get in those years? I would imagine the brewery deal was linked to the bars for 04
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| I wouldn't get too hung about sustainability, yes perfect in a perfect world but out if interest how many sporting clubs are sustainable in the UK??
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| Where has Mish gone ?
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| Quote ="Tipster Ste"I wouldn't get too hung about sustainability, yes perfect in a perfect world but out if interest how many sporting clubs are sustainable in the UK??'"
So you're happy to have somebody else subsidising your season ticket again as Arthur did?
The bottom line ste is that is what it boils down to, do you want a business or a charity?
The success you want will only ever happen if the club does become sustainable, we just arent big enough to attract the necessary personal investement nor should we want it
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| Can i ask what role allan rowley will play as operations director
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| Quote ="wolrab613"Can i ask what role allan rowley will play as operations director'"
He will be directing operations steve
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| Quote ="Starbug"So you're happy to have somebody else subsidising your season ticket again as Arthur did?
The bottom line ste is that is what it boils down to, do you want a business or a charity?
The success you want will only ever happen if the club does become sustainable, we just arent big enough to attract the necessary personal investement nor should we want it'"
I'm very happy for someone to bank roll us, you forgot to tell me the sustainable Uk sporting clubs?
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| Quote ="Starbug"He will be directing operations steve
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We don't always agree but I think Starbugs nailed it !!
It kinda gives it away what Allan will be doing in the press release....
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| Quote ="Tipster Ste"I'm very happy for someone to bank roll us, you forgot to tell me the sustainable Uk sporting clubs?'"
I suppose the most obvious is Manchester United, but just because it is difficult doesnt mean it isnt possible or desirable, in fact I'd suggest being sustainable would be the best way to attract a seriously ' minted ' benefactor
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| Quote ="Starbug"I suppose the most obvious is Manchester United, but just because it is difficult doesnt mean it isnt possible or desirable, in fact I'd suggest being sustainable would be the best way to attract a seriously ' minted ' benefactor'"
Are you seriously saying Utd are sustainable over the last 24 years?
Agreed it should be all clubs aim to be sustainable but in reality it hardly ever happens.
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| I'm with Starbug on this one. It's fine to have a generous, passionate benefactor but the problem comes if/when that benefactor has to/wants to leave. I thought that the 're-born' club was committed to self-sustainability, as the only way forward. To be fair, that still may be the case, but I have my doubts.
Whilst it is brilliant to be part of the success that the club is currently enjoying, I would still like it to be around for my grandkids to enjoy too.
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| Quote ="Alan"I'm with Starbug on this one. It's fine to have a generous, passionate benefactor but the problem comes if/when that benefactor has to/wants to leave. I thought that the 're-born' club was committed to self-sustainability, as the only way forward. To be fair, that still may be the case, but I have my doubts.
Whilst it is brilliant to be part of the success that the club is currently enjoying, I would still like it to be around for my grandkids to enjoy too.'"
Spot on Alan, didn't get the impression when the new shareholders took over that ongoing individual funding would be the way forward - the club in essence would fund itself in time. That may well be the case and I hope it is, individuals pumping money in only ends in one way with us - we have years of history that prove it.
Enjoy the ride and see where it leads. I have to say that we do seem to putting better structures in than previously, but the experience on the board initially seems to be reducing bit by bit
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| Quote ="Alan"I'm with Starbug on this one. It's fine to have a generous, passionate benefactor but the problem comes if/when that benefactor has to/wants to leave. I thought that the 're-born' club was committed to self-sustainability, as the only way forward. To be fair, that still may be the case, but I have my doubts.
Whilst it is brilliant to be part of the success that the club is currently enjoying, I would still like it to be around for my grandkids to enjoy too.'"
There will probably always be a gap that the owners meet Alan until we are in SL, hence the pooling of resource when the club was on its knees to meet the projected shortfall. That was the basic difference - the shortfall isnt a shock and you know how it will be covered
The goal posts moved with the change in structures, creating a pathway to a huge prize that an ambitious club would target. It will take a while to build the income streams to become 'self sufficient' but we are fortunate that we have a passionate and ambitious owner who wants our club back at the top table and is prepared, motivated and capable to do something about achieving that.
It will be around for your grandkids and their grandkids Alan, as long as we have fans who buy tickets and support the club, concern is great its passion whereas disruption/pooh stirring and whingeing isnt.
Grip your seat and enjoy the ride, we have the best year for a very long time to look forward to and we fans have a huge job to do spreading the gospel
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| Quote ="maurice"There will probably always be a gap that the owners meet Alan until we are in SL, hence the pooling of resource when the club was on its knees to meet the projected shortfall. That was the basic difference - the shortfall isnt a shock and you know how it will be covered
The goal posts moved with the change in structures, creating a pathway to a huge prize that an ambitious club would target. It will take a while to build the income streams to become 'self sufficient' but we are fortunate that we have a passionate and ambitious owner who wants our club back at the top table and is prepared, motivated and capable to do something about achieving that.
It will be around for your grandkids and their grandkids Alan, as long as we have fans who buy tickets and support the club, concern is great its passion whereas =#FF0000disruption/pooh stirring and whingeing isnt.
Grip your seat and enjoy the ride, we have the best year for a very long time to look forward to and we fans have a huge job to do spreading the gospel'"
Hope that's not me you are accusing?
Other genuine fans share my concerns. They've been around to see it happen before (the potential perils of one-person ownership, however passionate and generous that person may be) We shouldn't necessarily mistake their concerns for negativity
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| Quote ="maurice"There will probably always be a gap that the owners meet Alan until we are in SL, hence the pooling of resource when the club was on its knees to meet the projected shortfall. That was the basic difference - the shortfall isnt a shock and you know how it will be covered
The goal posts moved with the change in structures, creating a pathway to a huge prize that an ambitious club would target. It will take a while to build the income streams to become 'self sufficient' but we are fortunate that we have a passionate and ambitious[size=200 owner [/sizewho wants our club back at the top table and is prepared, motivated and capable to do something about achieving that.
It will be around for your grandkids and their grandkids Alan, as long as we have fans who buy tickets and support the club, concern is great its passion whereas disruption/pooh stirring and whingeing isnt.
Grip your seat and enjoy the ride, we have the best year for a very long time to look forward to and we fans have a huge job to do spreading the gospel'"
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| Quote ="Alan"Hope that's not me you are accusing?
Other genuine fans share my concerns. They've been around to see it happen before (the potential perils of one-person ownership, however passionate and generous that person may be) We shouldn't necessarily mistake their concerns for negativity'"
Think I covered that Alan, there is no problem with concerns, its when it engulfs your life you turn into some sort of depressive who wont leave the door due to concerns about being mugged, getting knocked down by a bus, trampled by a herd of rampaging wilderbeast etc
IMO part of the deep rooted problem in a lot of RL communities is that we focus far too much on the negatives to take our sport to the platform it deserves. You know what, happens everyday and nothing is ever perfect - enjoy the good times to the full and only regret what you didn't do as lifes too short
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| Quote ="ste747"Really
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What else do you call a majority shareholder Ste? That's been the case since day 1 of the BoM, I suppose I could have said Majority Shareholder?
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