How many sports clubs are owned and financed to the point where the fans are totally happy ?

Perhaps Man City in the PL , every other club from United/Chelsea,Arsenal all the way down the bottom of League 2 and the many non league clubs below them are chasing that one club , that is owned , sponsored and funded by a country

We have a historical position within the UK RL structure , somewhere between 12 th and 16/17 th , that is because that is where our location puts us with regards the finance our support base provides , we are a small town surrounded by some of the biggest sporting names in the world in football , and also the much smaller sport of RL , it ill always be a struggle , but you are born where you are born and that's it

As I have posted several times in the past , the move to the LSV ( remember we had no choice at the time ) should have been our chance to increase that support base perhaps to a level similar to Cas , they are our ' target ' , our aspiration

We have failed to do this , and that is why we remain where we are , and will potentially see similar cycles to the one we have jut seen over the last few years

Derek was very close to breaking that cycle , just a dropped ball

Indeed , however if you had a fans ' poll ' on it I think you'd find several different definitions of ' capable '

As I've put before , no owner is ever rich enough , unless you're Man City

Don't know - you may well be right.

Absolutely nailed it

Excellently put Grubby

Very good, sensible post.

You can't compare the round ball game to RL. They invest for a return. DB did well,but lost the plot come SL. When questioned by the fans on Jukes, his return was to question the fans. Rich mans way of spitting his dummy out.

Onward and upwards.

I think you've missed my point , it is that no matter how rich somebody is , there will be in the fans opinion somebody else who is a better owner because he has and is willing to spend more

So we are at a situation as Gubby describes as a game of Poker in 'who blinks first', it seems to me through Mr B's statement that he has put an exit deal forward to the two player's in question that he is not prepared to increase nor are they prepared to accept, If Mr B holds out the club goes into Liquidation, the club will be no more and the player's don't recieve a penny, on the other hand Mr B will never ever see his loan repayed but does that bother him as much as the disgrace and probably recieving a lifetime ban from the RFL as being a director of a club, if that happened and no one else comes forward with enough money to formulate a buisness plan to submit to the RFL for the acceptance a new club, then RL in the professional sense may be completely lost to Leigh.
So back to the original question 'who blinks first' if as reported both player's have the opportunity of employment eleswhere in my opinion they should take the reduced settlement and go, if I were Mr B, I would get a couple of matchsticks to keep my eye's open ensuring he does not blink, I would not go to court and encur further expense, he simply can't afford to keep throwing money at it, going to court losing and paying out in full would most probably mean liquidation anyway, he has admitted that he has taken full responsibillity for employing all the player's this season and that is the reason for our demise, he did that in good faith for the betterment of the club, and 99% of people experts, scribes and fan's from all clubs thought he was correct, what he has fallen short of saying so I will say it for him:-
Those prima donna's that where payed good money to do a job for the club wiped their R'soles on the Leigh rugby shirt and threw it back at him, they alone are the reason the club is in this situation, not Mr B, nor the coaches, they themselves the player's, not many of them (there are a few exceptions) I do not believe can look in the eye's of that man in mirror and say I earned my money, I gave it my all.

Those prima donna's that where payed good money to do a job for the club wiped their R'soles on the Leigh rugby shirt and threw it back at him, they alone are the reason the club is in this situation, not Mr B, nor the coaches, they themselves the player's, not many of them (there are a few exceptions) I do not believe can look in the eye's of that man in mirror and say I earned my money, I gave it my all.

Most sensible post yet. Stop blaming Jukes Etc the players who we employed are responsible for the performances, The people who paid out good money for these players need to ask why we paid out such money in the championship for these players

Lets not forget this is the 2nd season we held players to ransom over unpaid contracts.

Its all well and good Maurice & Co stating its a business and redundancies are part of business life, that would be easier for your average fan to take if it were players that had some history with the club i.e Ridyard, Higson, Beswick, Dixon, McNally.

Everyone knows Derek went or bust with a big budget, albeit partly funded by himself and lost.

That's what makes it so much harder to take.

Are you in 'un-named' 1%er's Binosh who said before the season started that this assembled squad would fail, or did you like nearly everyone else applaud Derek for bringing all those stars to the club?

Could you see any other club in any sport bring a whole new squad & expect it to hit the ground running after only playing 2 warm ups ? ... whoever thought that one is at fault

Actually I was very sceptical and had a suspicion we would implode, I was of the opinion the team we had in SL was more than capable of holding its own with minor tweaking, I still believe to this day a new coach would have kept us in SL. Derek has already alluded to the fact we didn't finish bottom of SL and another pre-season and continuity would have seen us finish top 4 in the Championship easily.

The players I would have moved on were Stewart, Vea, Weston, Fleming, Pellisier, Green, Patterson, Dave Thompson & probably Hampshire. I think there is enough space created there to bring some solid players in.

I am of the belief that after 2/3 of the SL season (roughly when we lost in the cup to KR) Jukes should have been moved, I think that a fresh injection of man-management was needed.

It’s all ifs and buts all we can do is hope for the best and learn from our mistakes. It’s not going to happen over night or next couple of seasons but we will get back to we need to be just have to rebuild from the bottom

I attended the pre season launch and knew straightaway it wasn't going to end well
It didn't make sense to get rid of virtually everyone and start all over and the questions asked and the answers given didn't make me excited
Now it's going to happen again even without a points deduction it's going to be a massive struggle to stay in the championship
I do think however the board will have players all ready to sign when this mess is sorted

The standard of player that they are willing to sign they might end up getting a few good hidings like west wales last season this no good for rugby and player welfare going out every week knowing you going to get a cricket score shoved up you

I'd like to think that too Lynda, even after the Radio Manchester interview the other night - when we didn't actually get to learn much, if anything, new.

No idea how many pre season games but Man U Ladies are a whole new squad doing ok

Next season's DR with us, I hear!!

According to tweets tonight we're in administration
Hope this isn't true

Is that really comparable

No idea what’s your definition of Any club (the biggest in the uk) any sport (the biggest in the uk)?

They are a new team starting out , now if they sacked all that team it would be comparable

Administration is a much better option than liquidation and in most cases leaves the existing business in place but with a solution to the debts. Personally I think DB is doing is best to get us all out of a mess that no one expected us to be in.We we’re still 4/7 on favourites to win champ after Toronto defeat.

Administration is to administer assets,and find a buyer. What assets do Leigh hold? Other than speculation of 11% of the LSV.