=#FF0000All my post in this thread are easy to grasp my point,some folk didn't get it,it seems.



We will be in the poop if we are really struggling in the M8s. Them 7 games will determine if we play SL next year.

Try and stay calm Cokey, ColD loves an argument, even though we all support the same team. At least we don't live with him....

Patterson (a forward ) at centre while no place for Hampshire or McNally (both backs )is an utter joke.We have the slowest backs in SL already so to put a forward in among them is idiotic.Also if the 3 stooges( our so called ) coaches don't want Riddy playing for us it shows how little nous they have.Could put up with shipping 30 odd points a game against the top teams but we are shipping them against teams we could play in the 8s

We will be in the poop if we are really struggling in the M8s. Them 7 games will determine if we play SL next year

Did you work this out all by yourself?

Think you need give your head a wobble if you dont think they count , so you think its ok to lose ?..dont perform for the fans

No,I took inferences from your post.

After calming down a little bit I thought I would put what I really thought of last night/ the season. Last night the effort was not there, the coaching staff and players can say what they like but there was no fire in belly's except from maybe 5 minutes in the 2nd half.

That team that was out there last night is good enough to stay up and is good enough to go to Warrington and get a result ( look at when they came to our place). I'm not buying this "it doesn't matter until the 8s", every game matters in rugby league especially when your fans/Derek are paying your wages.

For the first time this season I really am concerned we will go down and we deserve that at the minute. Is it too late to sack Jukes? Will Derek's loyalty potentially send us down? If last night is all we have left in the tank then we are doomed as i think the top 2/3 in the championship would have beat us last night.

Well I was a fan!

Our last three defeats have come against the teams who are almost certain to be in the Middle 8's with us. Two of those defeats - against Warrington and Widnes - have been comprehensive, and embarrassing. It's worth remembering that those three games have been against teams who have been struggling all season - that's why they are in the bottom four with us.

I don't hold with the theory that we are 'saving' ourselves, or simply waiting, for the Middle 8's. A lot of this game is about confidence, and ours mysteriously evaporated in the second half at Wakefield, all those months ago. The same coaching team were in charge for those games against Saints, Warrington and Huddersfield, that we won convincingly. It's too late to change them now.

We simply have to show some form in our next two games, or I really fear the worst in the '8's', even against the four Championship sides.

I remember after the Wigan game there was a revival and we would finish in top 8 a lot of people on here are deluded and need to take the blinkers off we are just not quite good enough for the division simple as that

What determines whether something is easy to grasp is how the recipients understand it not how the poster intends it.

If you are thick and don't understand it, that's not my problem. Just ignore it instead.

I feel the players are there to keep us from relegation.. not the coach

Well my 5th wife thinks I'm wonderful

I did not say I did not understand it. You obviously did not understand what I was saying. This made you react in exactly the same way you accuse others of doing.

Incidentally you do not influence people by insulting them.

Keith, it's them, not it. They all make sense.If you understand them, fine, No need to go any further, unless you want to contest them.

Was always going to be a tough one Wire still an outside chance of top 8s and wanting revenge for defeat at LSV. Again puzzled why we play a forward at centre. Move a winger in and put Hampshire on wing or Brown to centre and McNally at FB.
Any thoughts on Mortimer and Langi, should Mortimer be at 9 so we can retain Josh and Ben in halves?

Oh Cokey you do get yourself mixed up and don't even remember what you have posted. Let me remind you:-

"All my post in this thread are easy to grasp my point,some folk didn't get it,it seems."

"If you are thick and don't understand it, that's not my problem. Just ignore it instead."

My comments were in response to those posts and nothing else. You refer to "it" not "them".

To be fair buddy, he's not worth it when he's in this mood, posts little of substance and looking to demean other users - just leave him to it

Is anyone really surprised at the defeat, with the team that was selected? We should probably expect even more positional changes in the remaining 2 league games as the coaching team continue their experiments - AKA analysis paralysis.

A simple example; for what reason have Dawson and Higson changed wings, last year and early this, they were doing great on the opposite side? And no sign of Hampshire after a cracking game against Wigan - is he injured? plus many more head-scratchers!

The roller-coaster continues...

3 games before or bust starts is not the time to be experimenting, we've had all season to to that - we were always going to bring new players in but we looked far more structured at the beginning of the season than we do now - we were never world beaters in attack but out defence has gone to pot

I suggest you and Keith start reading from page 1 of this thread. I think you'll find you two have misinterpreted what I have wrote. If you want to contest my initial posts, then go ahead. And BTW - It's you who's arrogant here. Either contest my post with relevance or leave it.

I for one, approved of 'resting' Drinkwater' last night. Now I know we need him - in the (totally baffling) absence of Ridyard, he is the only half back who is capable of organising/playmaking. It's unfair to judge the two new boys, after being thrown in so soon. Mortimer upped his game in the second half, but doesn't seem a playmaker. (who was it on here, who said he appeared to have slowed play down?) Langi showed nice touches, but an awful lot of Wire traffic went down his side.

I think we miss McNally on attack. I wasn't a fan of his defence, but Brown had a nightmare last night. At least McNally knows how/when to link up - how many times did Reynolds have to wait for Brown to arrive in attack, last night?

And Hampshire has to be in there somewhere, if he's fit. At least he has a bit of pace - which we are still desperately lacking.

And please can someone on our coaching staff teach someone - anyone - how to kick out of hand?!?! 10-20 yards on penalty kicks isn't good enough and I long to see the opposition running the ball out from their tryline, and not the 20/30 metre lines!

I'm afraid a huge improvement is needed - even just to be able to beat Featherstone and Toulouse/Halifax - never mind the rest of them!

Nice one !

Plenty of permutations there Alan, just shows how difficult Jukesy job is ,I not sure if replacing Jukesy is the answer though, finding the right recipe is,and getting them to play with pride in the shirt,the next 1 games again will be very difficult as both Hudds and Salford have plenty to play for.
What our best 17 is at the moment?Even Charlie doesn't know that

we must get ready for the middle 8s and hit the ground running, Warrington, Cats, and Widnes are certs to accompany us possibly along with Hull KR, London, Fev and hopefully Fax,4 aways in there no room for failure, can we survive?Of course we can but it's time to stop pussyfooting around, be ruthless in team selection,I'd have question marks over Stewart, and then Patterson at centre,get back Hock,and P ellisier,again I'm not sure about the Halves, but I think pride and positive thinking must be in Jukesys team talk.I'm still confident we will survive ,but my tipping is hopeless these days,I'd back Shergar and get him beat.