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| I will propose to the BOD that we buy another 500Gb of space on Vimeo and will explore other avenues of storage.
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| Adding to the costs seems a bit ott to satisfy a couple of whingers. If it is that important to them they will buy a DVD.
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| It wont add to the cost reffy prices would remain at £3.50 or £32 we would just need to take £100 from the £4500 we have raised so far
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| Quote ="Saley2"dodged the question again but ok.
the problem is when using terms like its "simple" when actually you know nothing about how the system has been set up or how its configured is both derogatory and insulting.
im not continuing this on an open forum i suggest you put forward your "solutions" at the next meeting.
i would also suggest as someone who is involved with Leigh RLFC you think about the impact of your comments before posting them on a public forum'"
I didn't dodge it; I didn't respond to it because it's not relevant. You have a perfectly good system and it's only you getting paranoid about some perceived insult.
For your info, should you care to attend a meeting, we do already have a system in place and always have had - that's why I say it's simple.
I shall repeat once more, my only complaint is about the length of time you want to store the videos not the system itself, but if you want to carry on with your foot stamping then please feel free.
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| Quote ="mish"I didn't dodge it; I didn't respond to it because it's not relevant. You have a perfectly good system and it's only you getting paranoid about some perceived insult.
For your info, should you care to attend a meeting, we do already have a system in place and always have had - that's why I say it's simple.
I shall repeat once more, my only complaint is about the length of time you want to store the videos not the system itself, but if you want to carry on with your foot stamping then please feel free.'"
Don't think posts like that do anyone any favours, or reflects particularly well on the club either. Surely this is why the PM system exists instead of having a (very) public tiff?
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| Quote ="Saley2"It wont add to the cost reffy prices would remain at £3.50 or £32 we would just need to take £100 from the £4500 we have raised so far'"
I meant extra cost to the club rather than the punters.
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"Don't think posts like that do anyone any favours, or reflects particularly well on the club either. Surely this is why the PM system exists instead of having a (very) public tiff?'"
You're right Matt it should be talked about in a meeting (which incidentally is tomorrow night) so I'm not sure why it was brought up on here. I was originally responding to the OP, nothing more.
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| Actually no it will not be discussed then, the chairman asked me and Stef to look at it after we have reported to him then it may be discussed.
It was brought up on here -as I explained before - to ask our customers their views, we now have some they will be reported back and mine and Stefs recommendations will be put forward.
Reffy - yes there will be extra cost but it isn't a great amount and it will be a BOD decision if it can be afforded, I was just tasked to look into it, and IMO asking the customer was the way to do it, I may ask Jonny to do a poll
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| Quote ="mish"I didn't dodge it; I didn't respond to it because it's not relevant. You have a perfectly good system and it's only you getting paranoid about some perceived insult.
For your info, should you care to attend a meeting, we do already have a system in place and always have had - that's why I say it's simple.
I shall repeat once more, my only complaint is about the length of time you want to store the videos not the system itself, but if you want to carry on with your foot stamping then please feel free.'"
Mish what you have on leigh life is defiantly simple stuff (it is a very basic low quality video player) and for example doesnt play on an iphone/ipad (i have just tested) and im guessing you have loads of space on a server hence why you can archive stuff and keep for ever.
LCTV is completely different set up which you obviously do not understand it is far from simple! You are comparing a Skoda to BMW in terms of video playback facility and performance!!
The solution is to buy more space or completely redesign the system end of. I would strongly advise staying with Vimeo as this ticks all our boxes for the job required and was thoroughly tested by my developers.
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| Ooh get you, we use that because it's free to view, simple as. It doesn't take much to upgrade should we have the resources you've had.
For the last time no one has mentioned moving from Vimeo.
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| Im a Big fan of Vimto .
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| I don't know anything specific about the LCTV setup, but I do have a thorough understanding of the technologies behind the setup.
With this in mind, I think Mish is seriously misunderstanding the level of infrastructure that needs to be in place to serve video with the quality and performance of the current LCTV setup. Simply finding a location in which to host large files that can be streamed at a fast speed would be astronomical. This is why utilising a service like Vimeo is the only cost effective way to achieve the current setup.
There are other feasible solutions for an archive, but it would not operate in the same way as the main service.
The video service from LeighLife.com, as valuable as it is, is not currently comparable to LCTV.
Quite frankly, if I had been involved in the setup of LCTV then I too would have taken issue with those particular comments.
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| First of all I would like to say that all those involved with producing LCTV they are doing an excellent job and the quality is brilliant. and secondly you can download any game onto your hard drive and then watch it at your leisure.You can also transfer it onto a usb memory stick and watch it on your tv and the quality is very good.I would also like to add that I do this for my own purpose and don't pass it on to anybody else so they can get a freebie.
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| Quote ="Michael_Ward"I don't know anything specific about the LCTV setup, but I do have a thorough understanding of the technologies behind the setup.
With this in mind, I think Mish is seriously misunderstanding the level of infrastructure that needs to be in place to serve video with the quality and performance of the current LCTV setup. Simply finding a location in which to host large files that can be streamed at a fast speed would be astronomical. This is why utilising a service like Vimeo is the only cost effective way to achieve the current setup.
There are other feasible solutions for an archive, but it would not operate in the same way as the main service.
The video service from LeighLife.com, as valuable as it is, is not currently comparable to LCTV.
Quite frankly, if I had been involved in the setup of LCTV then I too would have taken issue with those particular comments.'"
Jesus wept, I do not have a problem with LCTV or Vimeo, or the set up and running of it.
However, regardless of what you say, it's not rocket science and even though I couldn't do it myself, one of our developers does this for a living so that's why I say it's simple. It's easy when you know how.
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| Mish you don't get it even when other people are telling you! You obviously don't know the work involved or the skill of the people who created it. You are getting more insulting by the minute.
Thank you Michael you obviously do understand
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| Lets face it , if one poster hadn't been in whinging mode rapidly followed by posing mode this thread wouldn't have got past page one. Centurions TV is an excellent product at a good price. Simples.
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| Quote ="mish"Jesus wept, I do not have a problem with LCTV or Vimeo, or the set up and running of it.
However, regardless of what you say, it's not rocket science and even though I couldn't do it myself, one of our developers does this for a living so that's why I say it's simple. It's easy when you know how.'"
Then clearly I've learned nothing in my 11 years as a professional in the industry. I'll inform my employer at once, thank you for enlightening me.
I've had my say and I'm more than confident that I am correct that a permanent library of full resolution streaming video delivered at acceptable speeds is significantly beyond the budget available to LCTV.
This is the last I have to say on the matter because it is frankly ridiculous that this discussion has descended in to a bickering farce.
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| Quote ="mish"Ooh get you, we use that because it's free to view, simple as. It doesn't take much to upgrade should we have the resources you've had.
For the last time no one has mentioned moving from Vimeo.'"
To provide the same product as we have Mish would have cost you £8000 plus get in the real world. Your naivety is astounding!!
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| Well if you say so it must be true.
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| Quote ="FredParky"I will propose to the BOD that we buy another 500Gb of space on Vimeo and will explore other avenues of storage.'"
I suggest we should leave it at what Fred has suggested here. That seems to cover the problem of an initial expansion of storage and the possibility of exploring other ways of storing the excellent archive footage.
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| Quote ="reffy"Lets face it , if one poster hadn't been in whinging mode rapidly followed by posing mode this thread wouldn't have got past page one. Centurions TV is an excellent product at a good price. Simples.'"
Have to agree. I think it is excellent value and after a month I would get fed up of watching Leigh v Batley for another time.
I see no problem with the original proposal and maybe Fred could be PM'D to put a particular video back on at a particular date.
Liked Cokey's post too and although I have no idea what a hard drive is' and the rest of his informative post' I can see that people more technologically savvy would understand it and if I wished could show me how to do it.
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| Quote ="Alan"I suggest we should leave it at what Fred has suggested here. That seems to cover the problem of an initial expansion of storage and the possibility of exploring other ways of storing the excellent archive footage.'"
I fully support that Alan 50gb of extra storage should resolve the issue and I would suggest that is what is proposed to the BOD for approval.
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| Quote ="mish"Well if you say so it must be true.
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It is true because that is what my company does for the likes of Nandos, Coca-Cola, The Coop, JD Weatherspoons Beaverbrooks and JD Sports to name but a few.
You are making yourself look like a fool and the other people who understand on this thread have already pointed out the reasons why.
I have made my suggestion I hope this addresses your issue
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