Surely a point deduction should be reserved for cheating and serious offences.

Why not deduct the amount we went over +10% from next seasons salary cap, something like that. As long as the RFL don't believe it was purposeful cheating, then why hand out a points deduction?

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 520116.stm Sadly for you its real, it says technical breach, seems your income forecasts did not match up to reality, I think it is a very basic error in that clubs I assume worst case scenario support wise and work from there not the other way round. To me no matter how its dressed up a breach is a breach and I have no doubt there will be others in same boat, but super league clubs will get away with it.

news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/rugby_l ... 520116.stm Sadly for you its real, it says technical breach, seems your income forecasts did not match up to reality, I think it is a very basic error in that clubs I assume worst case scenario support wise and work from there not the other way round. To me no matter how its dressed up a breach is a breach and I have no doubt there will be others in same boat, but super league clubs will get away with it.

What's that?

So if we underestimate our income this year, can we have 3 bonus points next year

Playing Keighley at the LSV with England vs Germany in the World Cup on the same day wouldn't have exactly helped either.

How does the saying go about...People in glass houses

of course you can

Jog on Crust Muncher........

Are there any boxes to be ticked this year?

Tut tut tut! After all the slating of Wigan!!

Does this mean other teams can boo you now!!

Booooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo

Yes,Jonny the leyther sorted that one out.

That would seem unfair if a team is booted out of SL next month. They could not tick a box this year.

So help me out here,
With this method do clubs (Leigh in this case) say we will make x amount of money in x games, They then take this to the Rugby Football League who then check it and agree that it looks achievable ? ?

I completely agree with you.
I'm sure the rfl have thought of this and will pull a rabbit out of the hat which most people will not be happy about.

Essentially , yes

How did the brainiacs at the RFL come up with a 3 point deduction???
Wig*n 2007 - second offence in 2 years and they got 4 point deduction. The RFL said the deduction was proportionate to the offence. It could have been up to 12 points.
Given the fact they breached the cap by £220,000 in 2007 and the points deduction was ''proportionate'' to the offence that would mean we breached the salary cap by £165k?!?!?!? I very much doubt we were that far out on our predicted income.
Which had been approved by the RFL when accounts were submitted.
And this is our first bl**dy offence!!
On these issues alone we must have strong grounds for appeal.

Probably , and we might lose , which would result in a 3 points deduction and possibly a fine , or we might win , and the penalty gets reduced to a fine

Can you see where I am going with this ?

It is obviously frustrating and annoying for the club and if what has been suggested is true and we have "tightened our belts" this season then its beter for the club to take it on the chin. They have got themselves in to a really strong position for this season and hopefully this is just like if we had lost away at barrow when did we really thing we would have won. We can and hopefully will still finish top of the pile, especially if Barrow do us a favour this week.

I can indeed. It's a potential minefield. But over the years numerous clubs have had no fine or points deduction for a first offence. Some clubs have done nothing wrong at all and been relegated as a consequence of others, ie Cas in 2007.
I'm not a lawyer but, assuming we have one still!!, could we not look back at previous first offences and enquire with the RFL why a points deduction has been the first option here??
And as I typed that I just thought '' what if the club asked for a points deduction instead of a fine?''

I go to a bank fill out a car loan app form and fill in my income details and what I have to pay out etc for a 3 year payment plan. Bank looks it over yep we will give you a loan. During the 3 years I lose my job and find another job with less money but unfortunately miss a payment but I should have seen the bank first to try to sort something out.......etc

Accept the technical breach and points deduction and move on.
If we have grounds to appeal then appeal backed up by previous seasons attendances against attendance from previous season against TV games etc.
Starbug will always be suspicious of RFL even if they gave us sacks of money for being a model club.

So in our 'relegated' season is it realistic that the club might have predicted it would have been on TV as much the following season and our few genuine crowd pulling fixtures would have remained as 3PM kick off on Sundays rather than Thursday evening kick offs.

Not saying its the case , but would surely have been a factor.

The problem in this instance isn't the RFL , they have followed their rules , there is no ' perfect ' system to operate a salary cap , believe me it is better organized now than it was back in 2004 when they introduced it , that was a shambles

Our problem now is the lack of income and turnover via the LSV , I'd suggest that Batley probably turn over as much as us despite only averaging half our crowds , and as the SC works on turnover , we have a continuing problem

Agree. But you did insinuate that RFL was at fault.

right but next season there salary cap will be based on there turnover last season (super league gates} , parachute payments and prize money for where they finish in super league enablin them to stay full time , still think its unfair on them

Sorry? What have I done now?