I don't think anyone on here would dispute that a game where "The Club Needs You" to get behind the the team to keep them up does lift the crowd numbers. Problem is for a financial point of view them people should be there week in week out because clubs can't survive on possible games like this, and I'm sure we don't really want the last game of each season being a relegation decider anyway!

The Australian tv doesn't show the Aussies playing sport against other nations unless they are winning ,they are not happy unless they win nothing else matters, coming second is a failure to them

do they accually win anything these days ?

Probably don't watch much sport

Ashes coming up ,must thrash um

Agreed.

its a good job they've got aussie rules.

By agreeing, you don't know how close you are to accepting licensing is the way to go.






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Not bad for a country whos population is dwarfed by ours and others.
Apart from this you do make a fair point, and long may it continue.

But they do hate losing. I also still think its in their psyche when playing us that they are better and winners, and we know we have lost at the 1st sight of things going slightly against us.
I don't count cricket as a sport.

i suspect if everyone in england stopped playing football the aussies would never win anything ever again.
we're not bad at making money either were as the aussies are nothing but bar staff.

but they are good at it

they're very good at it,iv'e never had need to complain

Are we saying there would be less money being put into the game from SKY or Sport England or sponsors or attendances? I think it would just be a drop in SKY's money. The sponsors would still be there because they would still get their names on the same number of programes, so they wouldn't worry. Attendances would probably increase now seeing as we are coming out of this recession. The quality of the product would not be lessened at all and more derbys at the top level would have crowds flocking. Entertainment is what TV viewers and fans want. That and a nice stadium. It's all right calling us flat cappers because we want P&R but most don't want to stand in crumbling stadia. Most don't want to watch mediocre games. Most want to watch the sport we love in comfortable surroundings. It's all right saying that it's our fault that we can't make the grade. How can any club produce a team worthy of the top grade without shelling out. How can you expect players to train 4 nights and keep a job. It's allright saying that the clubs need to be run like a business. What the hell do businesses need to sustain growth. Bloody investment. Investment from the people who are supposed to want them to succeed. A high street bank is willing to invest in a business so why do the RFL not invest more into it's small businesses. Come on someone please tell me because it makes my shagging blood boil.

Someone who knows more than me and thee about sport England grants has posted in detail on here recently about importance of a national sport over a regional sport for bringing more of this type of money in. There would obviously be a drop in sponsor money for a regional sport over a national one, and that goes for TV as well. We are too far down the line now to go back to that "sport they play up north" kind of comments.

Of course attendances would increase when both sets of fans can catch the local bus to home and away games. Its hardly a real effort considering. My view on attendances is good away followings distorts what your actual gates are - like when we was in SL and we got lots of away fans to prop up our attendances.

Couldn't agree more with this. Can you point out a post on here that says they are against P&R? Its logical that a PT club beating other PT clubs is not enough as a achievement to prove you can run a successful team/club in the flagship comp, and actually add something to that comp. Its also logical to give a club time in that FT comp to build to a successful club on and off the pitch. Just wish we had this in 2005 so we could have proven we could be a success, rather than having the legacy of worst club ever tag. Which by the way Richard Lewis recognised in a interview on the radio after 2005 when he defended our admittance to SL.

But how can you have a long term business plan as a cub, which includes financing improvements to stadiums or employing people etc when you have one extreme to another regarding PT & FT comps? Tell me how you get around that as a business? How do you finance and plan when you can possibly be a PT club one minute or a FT club season after?
If getting promoted was a natural progression with most of same team playing at a higher level and competing then it works. At the moment it doesn't work like that. Our club is the damning evidence PT to FT.
I know starbug likes to use Abromvich(??) type investors as not being able to get say Leigh SL if he came to us. Which is rubbish, as Widnes will prove.

Just to reiterate, we`re are not the worst ever SL club as you well know. Earlier in this thread you stated the same and then back tracked , stating you meant something different.........Oh what was it now... uhmmm....
You should form a clique with Scooter boy and reffy and have a love in dreaming about expansionism.

Its a fact. Stats don't lie. Please point out where I back tracked? as I seem to have changed my mind again.


Also just to say these are my own opinions, of which have mainly been moulded from being a Leyth fan. Nowt to do with VT or cliques etc.

We all entered SL ...........WE did n`t end up with the worst record as you well know... You then label it worst promoted team to enter SL... totally irrelevant. Factually WE were NOT the worst EVER SL side...............Have a day off Richard you deserve it.

I genuinely don't know what you are getting at. I will make it chrystal for you - of every club that entered SL we are the worst. I know it is fact because I did a web site years ago which I thought would be interesting to include a running league table added together over the seasons with all the wins losses added up, and it made glum reading to see us bottom. But it was quite interesting because tho some view Fax as worst team they have actually been quite successful overall.

The question was , if we returned to a more regional sport would we suffer a loss in TV funding and sponsorship ?

Dont start going all ' Smokey and tb ' on me

The answer is , No we would not , we dont get any TV money and our sponsorship is not related to TV exposure

In fact overall , less TV coverage of all Pro levels would result in improved revenue and income for Leigh Centurions IMO

That was the question

From a playing point of view , yes , but we were discussing fans , those who turned up against Salford had already paid for their tickets at the start of the season , or the attendance would have been much less

You are getting very frustrating , as you make a point , that isn't clear and when asked simple basic questions about it , change the subject , I'd apply for a job at Red Hall if I were you

Since when does on field performance mean anything , so if you look at off field performance we are better than some clubs still in SL , we made a tiny profit in our SL season , how many other clubs can boast that ?

It`s Crystal clear in an opaque sort of way............ Did n`t Huddersfield finish bottom with 4pts in `98 or you basing your FACTS on our only season in SL.
Can you be more specific because I like Crystal clearly.

Of course I am basing our 1 and only season. Had we stayed up, or had we been given another season or 2 the stats would have been different. But we never stood a chance. If only we had been given 3 years to prove ourselves.

Well done for making a profit. What did we add to SL that season, apart from being novelty at first being a new club?

You get me frustrating with your stick in the mud opinions which will never change no matter what the governing body does/says/achieves/fails? Same line - straight road ahead are your opinions.

The Salford game highlights that with P&R you are never guaranteed of this famous sell out fixture that determines which way the world spins. That fixture was a "nothing" game - my query to you was should fans not bother for that either.

in them with some respect , unfortunatly they dont