bollox.

Drummond also excelled for Warrington or is that conveniently forgotten.

Well I don't give a s4ite what the pie fans think (or some of our own

) - Dessie over Offiah anyday.
By the way - Dessie was OURS from the start. Was Offiah Wi@ans?

Des Drummond (Career): Games - 182 Tries - 69
Martin Offiah (Widnes): Games - 145 Tries - 181
Martin Offiah (Wigan): Games - 158 Tries - 186

...And Drummond was the better player?



Probably one of the worst anti-Wigan suggestions I've heard on RLFANS.

In fairness Alex, being a winger isn't [ijust[/i about tryscoring. Indeed, a lot of the memories I read on here about Drummond are related to his defence rather than purely his tryscoring exploits.

Going off that logic, put Gary Connolly at wing and he'd be better than both.

Oh, Jason Robinson was better than Drummond too.

Yes but everyone knows how the pies cheated,lied and robbed the rest of RL and their own breed to allow MO to achieve those stats and that it all ended in tears and a new tesco!

Woody 'half decent'

May I suggest you try watching for the next thirty years with your eyes open.

And played in a team that was head and shoulders above the rest for a good few years.

thanks for that, you've just proved my point, and i'm not a wiganer but i do watch a lot of games as a NEUTRAL every year and always have done. john woods was a goalkicker, i'd rank him slightly higher than shirley hesford as a player in this respect. nowhere outside of leigh is he talked about as a class act.

Not completely true, remember seeing on the Wigan board relatively recently that Woody was one of the best players to play against them during the 80's.

Plus in Warrington, and in Bradford, and Wigan asked enough times for his signature.

thanks for that, you've just proved my point, and i'm not a wiganer but i do watch a lot of games as a NEUTRAL every year and always have done. john woods was a goalkicker, i'd rank him slightly higher than shirley hesford as a player in this respect. nowhere outside of leigh is he talked about as a class act.'"

Tony you forgot to mention his GB caps too. If JW had been in that Pie team you wouldn't ever had heard of Edwards because John would have eclipsed him.

One more thing Dessie and Jason Robinson are twins for me. Both fantastic.

Quote ="hoofhearted"outside of leigh there would be very few people who would nominate des drummond in any sort of 'best of' compilation. he was ok but nothing special. it probably says more about the leigh club that the likes of des and john woods are held in such high esteem whereas at other more successful clubs they would be seen as no more than half decent. i've been watching the game for 30+ years (and i know there are people who've been watching the game a lot longer) but even in my time of watching the game dessie was not a 'stand out' player. offiah on the other hand is far and away the most special winger of his generation. with regards to comparing players of different eras, it's impossible as the game is constantly evolving and suits different size/style of players at different times'" Look at these stories from mostly Warrington fans if you think no one but Leigh fans hold Des in high regard. www.eraofthebiff.com/p-113.html

Quote ="hoofhearted"outside of leigh there would be very few people who would nominate des drummond in any sort of 'best of' compilation. he was ok but nothing special. it probably says more about the leigh club that the likes of des and john woods are held in such high esteem whereas at other more successful clubs they would be seen as no more than half decent. i've been watching the game for 30+ years (and i know there are people who've been watching the game a lot longer) but even in my time of watching the game dessie was not a 'stand out' player. offiah on the other hand is far and away the most special winger of his generation. with regards to comparing players of different eras, it's impossible as the game is constantly evolving and suits different size/style of players at different times'" Look at these stories from mostly Warrington fans if you think no one but Leigh fans hold Des in high regard. www.eraofthebiff.com/p-113.html

Botty burp............ you do spout some garbage.....

Care in the community.What a wonderful thing.

You should be a pie eyter.You are an horses head.Go sleep with the fishes.

easy there fella!

I think Woods was one of the best natural talents there has been. If he had applied himdeld and looked after himself he would have been a GB player no doubt.

Still think you are wishing with thinking Des was better than Offiah.

I don't know why we are even bothering discussing the merits of Des and Woody with these 'idiots' from Wi@@n and elsewhere! I can tell them regarding halbacks, John Woods at stand off and, Alex Murphy at srum half are better than anyone to have represented their clubs! As for Dessie, his exploits on 'Superstars' put Rugby League in the showcase, a superb all round Athlete and Superstar!

It does have to be said that Woody IMO was the greatest natural talent I have ever seen and yes its a pity he didnt apply himself to the sport as did a player like Edwards who was again a natural talent but worked hard at it and thus made his name, plus it did help him being in a team which at the time was far and away the best in the sport.
As for wingers Boston was the best, Offiah was a great try scorer but with the centres he had who wouldnt have been he had lots of natural pace and balance and the two (well three) combined made him a great player. Dessie never had that luxury of playing outside great centres and fed off scraps which, again IMO, made him the better winger, Robinson was better than both.
Woods did play for GB (in a number of positions which showed his versatility) and would have played many more but he seemed to prefer darts and dominoes over playing for his country

but that was the greateness of the player he just didnt care tuppence yet what an amazing player on his day, he gave his 100% on the field not off it unfortunately.

...Gregory and Edwards





Sorry about that I meant more and to be honest although he is at Leigh to be quite a legend as he had the goods but didnt apply them.

And a certain Alexander James Murphy states that "God" was the best player he ever coached.....which puts an end to the Edwards comparison!!!

He certainly does. I remember asking him about Woody and Edwards and he said that Woody was without doubt the best player he ever had playing for him and he couldn't be matched for his natural talent. The only way that Edwards had the edge over Woody was his determination, but for natural skill and ability, it was Woody every time.