the sun has ditched labour because Murdoch likes to back only winners thats why he has changed his allegiance 3 times murdoch knows labour wont win next time murdoch isn't daft murdoch is an Australian sh*th*use

MIRAS went about 1990ish I think?

The country now needs a Tory government to balance the books.

Massive cuts are needed in benefits/Work dodgers, immigration, local/national government costs and minority spending, eg Gay jugglers grants etc

Incentives are needed for business to locate in GB and encourage entrepreneurs.

We need to scrap the legal aid scheme and withdraw from the Human Rights Charter as it currently stands.

Cant see Labour having the balls to do most of those.

Biggest issue that we have to face is the inequalities in pensions for the Private Sector and Public Sector,and Brown more than anyone is too blame for this.

His decision to tax pension funds has cost millions of hard workers thousands of pounds of their pension fund,virtually getting rid of final salary pension schemes in the private sector.

I'm prety sure many on here work in the public sector and may have another view on this,but until something is done about this Britain will become a very bitter and divided Country over the next decades.

Another inequality is how can it be right that Scotland and Wales heavily subsidised by English tax payers have so many free benefits that we in England have to pay for,that really does wind me up.

By the way I hate the Tories,used to work in the public service and my wife still does.

Like Gordon and Darling did propping up RBS not too long ago?

Gordon cost our economy £5 billion by selling 395 tonnes of gold when the price was at the lowest it had been for a long time.



Agreed. It was that young fella in Citibank that caused this. If he hadn't messed up, we may have been blissfully unaware anything was wrong for a little while longer.


Gordon famously said, "No more return to boom and bust." What a load of bullocks.

You've got to fix the roof when the sun shines, not when the monsoon has already arrived.

You can only fix the roof when you still own the house,if the UK economy was an individual its house would of been repossesed ages ago.

So very very true.

We had a discussion during A-Levels about whether it would ever be possible for the Conservatives to return to power after the way the country felt after the 97 election. The consensus was no. How wrong we were!

We had the same discussusion at college around 1969 and came to the same conclussion, and boy where we wrong

And what kind of mental state were you were in whilst having them?



Maybe thats the solution, make all key decisions on the future whilst spaced out on canabis.



There would be no war and everyone would love each other. For a bit anyway, until the paranoia kicked in

Let us not forget the tax cuts given to the rich in 1979/80.
to pay for them the tories sold the gas, electricity, water and railways.
would we still have the high prices faced today if these industries were state owned?
Also lets remember that the tories under thatcher turned the police on the miners whilst churchill used the troops, putting the working classes in their place.
As for Miras it was a tory chancellor who announced its abolotion in stages over about 4 years by reducing it gradually to basic rate, 20% 10% and 0%. The excuse was interest rates had come down from 15% to less than 10% during the previous year. A similiar excuse was given by them for aboloshing the married couples allowance! Interst rates at 15% - vote tory to se them again!!

Will I be the only one having a party when a certain lincolnshire woman dies?

No I will too. How can anyone even consider putting up statue of her anywhere, when the only things she can be credited for is ruining a countires industry, taking us to war and partly responsible for Mr Whippy ice cream.

This has been a high quality and very interesting debate ( for a rugby forum). But to go back to the original subject-respected research has shown that newspapers do not influence election results that much anyway!

Go on, explain that to me!

I blame her for Colin Moynahan but thats another issue.

And there was that buisness with the French Cabinet Minister.

Quite disgracefull and thats all I will say on the subject.

When she was at university herself and some other students discovered that when you (i think this is it but someone can correct me) blasted milk or cream with compressed air it doubled in volume and it was the start of Mr Whippy. True fact.

That is my understanding. And buoyed by the realisation that you could charge people more for a product that was half of what it once was, her love affair with screwing people over began.

They can put the statue in my garden it will give the birds something else to $hit on instead of the washing.

peace in northern ireland
pension credit for over 60,s
winter fuel allowance for all pensioners.
nhs waiting lists down
nearest ever to full employment
record low mortgage repayments...( not the tories 15%)

You forgot
Kept the Tories out for 12 years.

Thats the best one

keep them out for another 12,scum scum scum,hate them.

plenty of tory lovers on Leigh Life.com

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I don't know if you have ever required the use of our great NHS but do not believe the rubbish that is being spouted. Ive waited a total of 10 months for an operation because of waiting times for scans, specialists, consultants and finally the operation. Every time I had to have some kind of treatment I always ended up waiting the max 18 weeks they are allowed under Labour guidelines. My wife (and 2 others I know about) having to wait as late as possible for a c-section because the doctors are too worried about costs of operations. This was over 2 different PCT's so you can't even blame 1 trust. Whilst we are on the topic of the NHS, have you seen the state of our hospitals? Leigh infirmary is a disgrace and is in a state of near ruin.

Low remortgage reypayments? Yes we are all benefitting but thats for one simple reason, without low interest rates the country would seriously be in the poop.

I'm not a Tory by a long way but ive never despised someone as much as Gordon Brown, at least in politics anyway!!!

Taxing of pensions
Crime
Taxes in general
The shocking treatment of our armed forces
Useless quango's
Red Tape

The list goes on.

Blair and Brown aren't fit to lick Thatchers pointy stillettos. They're so weak they wouldn't even have made it into her cabinet as "wets". Thatcher was the one of the greatest leaders this country has ever had.

Sexy minx.