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| Quote ="glow"Blunders can be rectified, (if there has been a blunder?) the problem I have is, I have yet to see anyone who can help me to understand ‘Why we need this Partnership?’ What the benefits of this Partnership are to my club?
This is my take on the key points…..
Do I understand that Leigh need to bolster the squad by loaning players? YES, we always have.
Am I happy if those players came from Wigan? YES I don’t care were they come from.
Do I think Rowley will pick the team? YES but he can only choose from those Wigan make available.
Do I think Wigan will send us different players? YES why wouldn’t they want all their squad have the opportunity to play at the highest level possible?
Do I like the idea of potentially having a different Wigan player in our team every week? NO
What happens if Rowley refuses to play the player offered? I’d guess at best he’d have to pick one of our own. At worst Wigan would keep sending the player they want us to play until we either play him or makes the agreement worthless.
Do I think if say Charnley breaks his leg and then needs to get fit, he’ll get sent to Leigh? YES were else could he go, South Wales?
Do I know what Rowley and even more importantly Wane considers established SL players are? NO
Do I think this is better than Swinton? Not really. Any 4 from 20 is not much different from any 4 from 30.
Do I think we should be helping junior development? YES but by supporting the people in the best place to do it, the local Amateur clubs and that’s why I was part of Leigh Community RL Development Group. Aim was to try and help improve the clubs, by looking at Coach Education Programmes, Player to club links, Health improvement programmes, Joint fundraising events, Junior Centurions, discounted/cashback tickets, Promotion of the local club to schools, and promotion of the female game.
Do I think Leigh could help junior development without Wigan? Yes but it needs a very good pro-active Community team.
Do we have a pro-active Community team? I don’t know if we even have a Community team, what I do know is the award winning one we had is still active in our community.
Do I think this Partnership will put bums on seats? NO, but I think working in our community with our amateur clubs and schools might do.
Do I know enough about the player pathway to see the improvement this partnership offers? No but I can’t see if a Player gets kicked out at Wigan why this will mean he would automatically come to Leigh. If he has ambition to be Pro then why would he not go to say Salford or Widnes. Or are we now taking hostages?
I am told we currently have a good U20’s which includes 2 or 3 from Wigan, I assume that means all the others are from Leigh, so after Wigan’s been and cherry picked the best (which they will still do) for some strange reason unbeknown to man the others, somehow miraculously found the pathway to us?
I was told when I used Chris Hill as an example of our development that he was the exception, well that maybe so, but the fact he still sits in the stands watching us play says someone looked after him, someone put their arm around him when he didn’t want to go were Wigan said he had to. We showed we cared, we watched him grow and when the time was right we waved him off.
If we care so much about junior development and also want to save cash, why did we sign Penky when we have Nicholson? (I rate both players, its not about players)
So for me we need a few players on loan (Rowleys choice), do whatever it takes to make up with the Community trust (I’ve no idea who was and wasn’t at fault - and I don’t care, if we can make friends with Wigan then……….), build a relationship with but leave player development to the experts the Amateur clubs, even the players at Wigan started there..
Alternatively someone please tell me Why we need this Partnership?'"
Pretty much sums up my thoughts (and concerns).
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"John you have summed it up perfectly
,im 100% with you and would exactly the same .'"
Charlie, on other threads you say you will never stop supporting the club yet you have just agreed with this, " if the pies start telling us which players to play or interfere in any way on the playing side im off." Have you changed your mind?
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| Why?
This is the main question. We do not need Wigin players. We can not get promoted, so why would this help?
Some Leythers are very anti-wigoon. I remember watching the Wigoon v Bath dual code games way back, and one mate actually supported Bath. Onion v League, and he chose Onion! This is why this is a bad idea, it may result in 20% jacking it in, when we need 40% more through the gates.
I know there are some City fans on here. Imagine when City were cack........League 1 as it is now, on the edge of going bust, in the end saved by a Paul Dickov goal in the play off final 1999 v Gillingham on 94:10. Them lot down the road who fluked a win(again!) v Bayern a few days before to win the CL......imagine if it was allowed and City became a feeder club for the rags......The City fans stuck by City through all this sheeite, even became more determined not to be defeated, as the crowds that season show. If, even due to going bust, and a 'partnership' had been announced there would have been riots! Real riots, not a bit of a grump on a messageboard.
And look what has happened now. OK, City won the lottery, but maybe something great may happen to Leigh one day........but this slippery slope means that is further and further away than ever.
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| Quote ="Athy Box Yed"Why?
This is the main question. We do not need Wigin players. We can not get promoted, so why would this help?
Some Leythers are very anti-[uwigoon[/u. I remember watching the[u Wigoon [/uv Bath dual code games way back, and one mate actually supported Bath. Onion v League, and he chose Onion! This is why this is a bad idea, it may result in 20% jacking it in, when we need 40% more through the gates.
I know there are some City fans on here. Imagine when City were cack........League 1 as it is now, on the edge of going bust, in the end saved by a Paul Dickov goal in the play off final 1999 v Gillingham on 94:10. Them lot down the road who fluked a win(again!) v Bayern a few days before to win the CL......imagine if it was allowed and City became a feeder club for the rags......The City fans stuck by City through all this sheeite, even became more determined not to be defeated, as the crowds that season show. If, even due to going bust, and a 'partnership' had been announced there would have been riots! Real riots, not a bit of a grump on a messageboard.
And look what has happened now. OK, City won the lottery, but maybe something great may happen to Leigh one day........but this slippery slope means that is further and further away than ever.'"
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| I have been thinking about this partnership since it was announced.
I honestly think it will not harm us provided fans give it a chance.
It is clear to me however that from a lot of posts on here and conversations I have had with other Leythers who I know personally that unless we withdraw from this agreement our club will not survive as an Independent club.
The present Board will have to decide how to proceed sooner rather than later.
Pride goes before a fall. Lets scrap the partnership and rely on our squad players ?
Thing is if that happens and the fans who have stopped attending don't come back soon we face the end anyways.
It's a tough call because if we get it wrong I think we all know the outcome.
It is a real shame especially given that we currently have one of the best squads in the Championship.
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| I suppose only time will tell & in the mean time all we can hope for is the fans to give our club a chance but I fear the damage has been done.
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| It's why do we need this .
No one at all, has answered this?
I don't understand why wigan can't just loan us a few players seeing they have loads of under 23s in their first team squad. Make Tom,s a season long loan, he's supposingly 9th chioce prop there, so be fair to him and give him some respect.
All the other stuff can still be done it doesn't need any official partnership to work together in the junior development.
Although east and miners are and also have done a good job there.
I m nit going stop going unless the likes of Richards or o loughlin play .
I think we just have a good team already and will this not just p off a few of our players as well as the fans. I'd hate for this to spoil our season.
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| Could it be a crafty marketing ploy and there will shortly be an announcement along the lines of, " We have had second thoughts about this link up and, taking on board the negative feedback from fans of long standing, we have decided to scrap the idea. We would now ask fans to put this period of unrest behind them and turn up at LSV in numbers to support our U Turn."
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| The Watcher wonders if these link ups between SL & NL clubs is something that has been encouraged by the RFL & therefore if clubs shun the idea, may fear they will become victims of dicrimination by the RFL. So to keep in the bosses good books our board has done as it(& other NL clubs) was told to do.
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| Over 14'000 views and 40 odd pages in less than a week must be a record for the Leythers site
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| Had to listen to it three times never heard so much rubbish
Please tell me why we need to tie up with wigan
He waffles about stu littler getting booed?????? whats that got to do with tieing up with wigan?
Sport england what as that got to do with us having to sign up with wigan
So according to him by signing up with wigan we are going to save the future of rugby league in this country because we will be providing players for all over the country,again what as this got to do with us tieing up with wigan
He talks of rowley and his whiteboard,if we have a clear plan why tie up with wigan?
If dave did not keep bringing him back to the point of feeder club he would have waffled off into the sunset ignoring the reason why he is being interview
He keeps saying he wants them playing for leigh in super league,how? just by judging on here you have upset a lot of people,no money no crowd
Then he says we are the only championship club who as a clear passage from any age up,so again why are we teaming up with wigan
So again trev why are we teaming up with wigan
As Paul Terzis said leigh v wigan its tribal
And you trev are saying we should have no rivalry,you are talking garbage lad
Best he says we don't need to play the players they will not be holding other lads back,so again why tie up with wigan if you do not need the players?
He says we have the best of everything already so why tie up?
So trev please explain what we get apart from 5 players you say won't hold current players back by this twining with wigan
Trev if you don't understand rivalry you need to step down
Still waiting for someone to argue trevs cornor on this??? any takers?
Please find a better arguement than I love the club please
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| Quote ="reffy"Charlie, on other threads you say you will never stop supporting the club yet you have just agreed with this, " if the pies start telling us which players to play or interfere in any way on the playing side im off." Have you changed your mind?'"
Reffy im losing the plot here i must increase my medication , and my Hydrotherapy Sessions , im even agreeing with Frank now .
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| Read LISA,s latest view on this see sticky at the top of the page.
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| I'm still not convinced after reading both interviews (and the original press) that this deal is what Leigh Centurions as a professional run leisure business needed right now as a Championship RL club.
Rowley tells it from a coaches view and Barton as someone passionate about the youth of the area.
Only time will tell if it was a good decision or a bad one.
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| Agree Jenky and the way to make sure our team remains Independent and calls the shots is for fans to turn up at our home games.
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| Indeed and after reading PRs comments I`ll be there on Monday v Worky.
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| Fax v Dewsbury att 1100 tonight. London Broncos 1136 v Catalans.
Our pro game is in real trouble.
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| They announced over 1,300 at the match and it looked a fair assesment , I thought it was a decent turn out for a freezing cold Thursday night to be fair.We could all do with more through the gates mind .
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| London's game was at Esher RUFC, but probably only lowered the gate by a few hundred fans. WE NEED A SUPER LEAGUE CLUB IN LONDON !
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| It makes you wonder if we have already been told its two tens for 2015???
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| Jenky if fans don't turn out because and lets be honest they don't understand plain English, then Rowls playing budget next season will be 50% of what it is now and it isn't high now. See how it goes,if its how you think it is then fair dos. No Wigan players today by the way.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Jenky if fans don't turn out because and lets be honest they don't understand plain English, then Rowls playing budget next season will be 50% of what it is now and it isn't high now. See how it goes,if its how you think it is then fair dos. No Wigan players today by the way.'"
Derek thats what i said in an earlier post , if we dont come through the Gates , then the Playing budget next season will be cut drastically,it will happen , we must support the Team to get the quality players for next season.
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| Quote ="salfordlad"Fax v Dewsbury att 1100 tonight. London Broncos 1136 v Catalans.
Our pro game is in real trouble.'"
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| Quote ="Geekay"Workington Town v Whitehaven - 1,648'"
Good gate - but 1,954 last season, so down 16%. We're all suffering in this league.
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