Basically we are crap

We will either get better or we will get worse

The cub need close on to 3000 to make a profit well i,ll tell you this
Mr Boardmen you have fu---d this season up BIG STYLE
PEOPLE WILL NOT PAY TO WATCH RL OFF THAT STANDARD FOR
£16 THEY CAN GO TO LEIGH MINERS OR EAST FOR A COUPLE £
AND WATCH BETTER RL...............................
IT WILL TAKE SOME SERIOUS DOSH TO TURN THIS TEAM AROUND
STARTING FROM THE TOP WORKING DOWN TO COACHIN STAFF
AND PLAYERS.
LIKE MOST LEYTH FANS IVE BEEN TALKIN TOO LAST FEEW MONTHS
WE ARE ALL PI--ED OFF BIG STYLE..WE THOUGHT IT WAS THE START OF SOMETHING GREAT THIS SEASON BUT YOU LOT HAVE F---ED IT UP BIGGGGGGG STYLLLLLLLLLLE

This is what it cost me over Easter
WIDNES myself n Girlfriend == £50
BARROW .........................=== £45
If i,m shelling out that kinda dosh i want to watch a decent standard of RL

What's worse than crap?

Relegated

Wigan ?

Webster - been poor so will probably have to buck up his ideas or move on
Doran - on the evidence of the game against you, you can have him back, but as he spent his time point scoring, I doubt the others will want him
Varkulis - agreed
Hartley - actually still here but God knows why as he is always injured.

Goosed? No, but vast improvement needed. We are still second despite putting in one of the worst performances I've ever seen on Good Friday from a Widnes side.

As for last night, Fev just looked better balanced, bigger and better organised. Watson looks a shadow of his former self. The two who stood out were my namesake (No 14) and Stanton who was outstading. But it isn't quite as black as you are painting. Morrison,Hill, Armistead are all good players and Donlan (played in the centres, what was Ned up to there??). This division is close and though Fax, Fev and Barrow look the likely winners so far, none of them have big squads and when injuries come, you have to wonder if they can maintain the good form. Leigh will make the play-offs.

Wasn't one of Yorky boys quotes when he arrived here 'Losing so many games at the start of the season isn't the standard that Leigh should be achieving' (or was there some poetic licence in that??) well Mr Kelly we have lost more at this ime of the season that we did last so???????

I'm sure Arthur would get rid but it would cost in the region of £70K so we're stuck with the pratt, move him 'upstairs' Arthur give young Rolley his chance, Kelly has had the same budget as Shaw had last year (well documented) but has proved he cant handle it, move him out of harms way and fast.

As for Benson he was given the biggest budget since Abram was in SL (and before that) and he couldn't drive a coach never mind be one, Heath and Basil (when he was there) did all the work, talked the talk but couldn't walk the walk.

be a negative thing to do, as is well known, senoir players elsewhere wont come and play for him

easy to see whats wrong,its your forwards mainly but what have you done to Donlan he didnt look interested.Watson and Mort gave 100% cant say that about the rest probaly Stanton apart.

Donlan should NOT have played he was injured

I second that.

I'm sure things will come together eventually but we really do need to stop playing the boring forwards game and getting beat at it week in, week out. We are doing the basics so poor like supporting the man with the ball and running angles, we just don't do it and make hardly any yards. Our Left hand side defence got showed up again last night. On a positive note a great return from Rudd and surely he now deserves a run in the team and hopefully the rest of the team will copy him and run onto the ball

If Rudd is not the 1st name on the team sheet at Batley, there is something seriously wrong............watched him closely last night and the lad was superb in both attack and defence.
Welcome back Adam (at last).

LEFT SIDE DEFENCE, ARE YOU DYSLEXIC

no disrespect to mort but Donlan HAS TO BE AT FULL BACK.

He is being wasted elsewhere

This is the way Kelly's teams have always played but he's had better personnel to put it into practice.

Thought we'd turned a corner at the back end of last season but seem to have gone backwards in the off season and never recovered.

Let's hope we can turn another corner... very soon.

Stuart will be good at stand off but the forwards aren't setting a platform for he and Watson to play with.

No drive, no go forward, no penetration. We looked a yard or two slower a lot of the time and their doesn't seem to be any urgency.

Can't remember him playing at S/O in his youth for us or anytime during his time in SL.

Learned most of his trade @ Full Back and would benefit Leigh best playing there for us now.

Stuart played stand off on the Academy, before graduating to the first team.

Where he played FB unless I'm missing something.
His experience there at the moment would be invaluble. Turley had the chance to learn his first team trade behind a very good team - Mort doesn't have that luxury

Just responding to where you said you 'couldn't remember him playing stand off for us in his youth.'

For what it's worth, I am on record, on here, as saying Donlan must be full back - he's wasted anywhere else. But, I also think Mort has tremedous potential, as full back - but believe he should be on the wing, at the moment. He is a try scorer, kicks goals for fun, and can (usually!) take the high ball.

Having been to our last 3 games Morts been our best player, so would you drop him.

I'm with you on this. Donlan should be full back but I also think Mort should be in the team (he had a good game last night and he can kick goals). Do we drop Mort to play Donlan in arguably his best position at full back or do we try to fit Donlan in elsewhere to accomodate Mort at full back? Thinking long-term I'd go with the latter, I think Mort has lots of potential.

As for what's going wrong? Well where do we start?

We're trying to play a simple brand of rugby which is all well and good if you can respect position and the laws of the game, but we just can't help ourselves can we? Every game we give away stupid penalties and make basic mistakes that inevitably end up costing us. Last night was a case in point. Fev weren't much better than us and didn't exactly play an expansive game, but they respected possession and field position better than we did (especially in the second half) and crucially took their chances when we presented them.

I remember Kelly saying, when he first joined, that the entertaining rugby and the expansive game would come when we started respecting possession and discipline but the mistakes and the penalties are still there. Once again we find ourselves at the bottom of the Fair Play Index. How many years are we going to have to put up with an ill-disciplined team? It's not just the penalties but it's the timing. We seem to be masters at giving them away on the 4th or 5th tackle.

We do play a bland brand of rugby at times but when we threw it about last night we came away with some points. We should be playing a more expansive game and coming from someone who has backed Kelly so far, I am disappointed that the team looks so reluctant to throw it about. Something is going wrong somewhere, but I don't think the whole blame can be lumped on Neil Kelly. The same problems seem to exist that became apparant especially during Abram's reign and they've been around ever since.