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| Quote ="Dick Jones"Would you care to elaborate what u mean by this remark?
Having seen the video Sam originally posted I think this is really strange
He carried on playing for four months after and despite the police being called he wasn't charged with assault
Something is not right with all of this but Sam is going to tell the whole story soon and until then I wish him well and I'm sure the club are helping him .
too many tragic events have happened with players in the past because they didn't get the support so it's important Sam is supported and helped through what must be an awful time'"
As has been mentioned I do not for one minute think that Sam Barlow is a drugs cheat, thats from people who know him and also from his physique(you can tell the top candidates who are likely on the juice pretty easily), but he has lost his career trying to protect people, whether that is out of loyalty or out of fear, only he knows.
Josh posted the following on Facebook:- Never evaded never refused or never failed a test......
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| Quote ="Greg Florimos Boots"As has been mentioned I do not for one minute think that Sam Barlow is a drugs cheat, thats from people who know him and also from his physique(you can tell the top candidates who are likely on the juice pretty easily), but he has lost his career trying to protect people, whether that is out of loyalty or out of fear, only he knows.'"
What on earth does that mean?
So Barlow wasn't on drugs, yet he deliberately threw away his career by refusing to take a drugs test (that he would have passed) in order to protect somebody else?
So who was he protecting that would have somehow suffered as a result of Sam Barlow not failing a drugs test?
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Atomic I was talking about sentencing following his guilty plea to common assault. He may not have been found guilty of doping by UKAD but the way it all reads about how the evening played out will have many people wondering. Also atomic that is not the result of the high Court appeal which is yet to happen.'"
As far as I'm aware Demon,the court was awaiting the outcome of the UKAD hearing before passing sentence.The fact he's took the standard 4 year length ban for the violation,I would say punishment has been dealt.
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That's what I fecking said.....and you reckon the sentence of the criminal court for his common assault conviction will be nothing because he has been banned from sport for 4 years?
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| Quote ="Dick Jones"Would you care to elaborate what u mean by this remark?
Having seen the video Sam originally posted I think this is really strange
He carried on playing for four months after and despite the police being called he wasn't charged with assault
Something is not right with all of this but Sam is going to tell the whole story soon and until then I wish him well and I'm sure the club are helping him .
too many tragic events have happened with players in the past because they didn't get the support so it's important Sam is supported and helped through what must be an awful time'"
Why is this awful time for him  if he would of answered the door like normal people do when there is a nock at it I am sure the doping officer would of made it clear who he was and had shown ID then Sam if nothing to hide would of said come in took the test past it and still be playing for us end of......... |
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I challenge anyone to read all the documentation surrounding this case which is openly available on the UKAD website and feel sorry for him.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"=#00BF00That's what I fecking said.....and you reckon the sentence of the criminal court for his common assault conviction will be nothing because he has been banned from sport for 4 years?'"
Yes,thats what you said to Oggy.My reply was referring to what you said to me.
Quote ="DemonUK"Also atomic that is not the result of the high Court =#00BF00appeal which is yet to happen.'"
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Thought my reply was to you but Oggys post went in between.
The appeal is the high Court appeal planned by Barlow against the UKAD ruling. Maybe doing a bit of reding would help. Goodbye on this thread.
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Well I did read that,but I didn't take the word "planned" as being official confirmation of an appeal being lodged.I took that as being his briefs words not his own.Suppose time will tell.
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After reading the documentation here's what I think.
I think he was thoroughly peed off that he was being targeted for testing again despite never having given a positive result and more so that they had turned up in the evening when he was (once again) at home, so he decided to make things as difficult as he could for the tester and come up with a cock and bull story about him being a burglar. Obviously this all then backfired on him horribly when, after all the fuss and aggravation had died down, UKAD refused to allow him to do the test, and even more so when the police pressed charges on him regarding the 'assault'. Unfortunately once he'd got caught up in the lie (and involved his partner), he couldn't then back down and admit that he was just being awkward and obstructive because he was fed up of being tested.
Obviously I don't know all the facts, and I might be totally off the mark but I don't think I am. Do I feel sorry for him? Yes I do, I feel really sad and sorry that he made the terrible decision to lie and then found that he couldn't then get out of it and which has now ultimately ruined his career. None of us are perfect and I'm sure that most of us, at some point in our lives have made a bad decision, so yes I feel really sorry for him, especially as he seemed to be enjoying himself at Leigh and was playing brilliantly. I just hope that someone is looking after him and his state of mind.
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After reading the documentation here's what I think.
I think he was thoroughly peed off that he was being targeted for testing again despite never having given a positive result and more so that they had turned up in the evening when he was (once again) at home, so he decided to make things as difficult as he could for the tester and come up with a cock and bull story about him being a burglar. Obviously this all then backfired on him horribly when, after all the fuss and aggravation had died down, UKAD refused to allow him to do the test, and even more so when the police pressed charges on him regarding the 'assault'. Unfortunately once he'd got caught up in the lie (and involved his partner), he couldn't then back down and admit that he was just being awkward and obstructive because he was fed up of being tested.
Obviously I don't know all the facts, and I might be totally off the mark but I don't think I am. Do I feel sorry for him? Yes I do, I feel really sad and sorry that he made the terrible decision to lie and then found that he couldn't then get out of it and which has now ultimately ruined his career. None of us are perfect and I'm sure that most of us, at some point in our lives have made a bad decision, so yes I feel really sorry for him, especially as he seemed to be enjoying himself at Leigh and was playing brilliantly. I just hope that someone is looking after him and his state of mind.
Good luck for the future Sam.
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Well thats one way of looking at it...
My opinion is slightly different based on the published information. On the subject of 'refusing to allow him to have the test' they possibly thought there wasn't much point as his actions had already contravened the regulations and were subject to the same sanctions as a failed drug test. Also the time the tester turned up would be at a time that Sam himself would have provided to UKAD as when and where he would be. The tester had ID and showed it, this point must have been accepted by the police who DID NOT arrest the man for burglary
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I don't disagree with any of the above, I'm just saying that in the heat of the moment he decided to play silly beggars and it has cost him dearly.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"Well thats one way of looking at it...
My opinion is slightly different based on the published information. On the subject of 'refusing to allow him to have the test' they possibly thought there wasn't much point as his actions had already contravened the regulations and were subject to the same sanctions as a failed drug test. Also the time the tester turned up would be at a time that Sam himself would have provided to UKAD as when and where he would be. The tester had ID and showed it, this point must have been accepted by the police who DID NOT arrest the man for burglary'"
Derek, I can't really disagree with either you or Michelle. It's a promising career wasted, however you look at it.
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OK Alan. I always thought that they had to provide at least an hour where they could be found. If Sam gave that as his hour then I assume they can call whatever time is given. As you say he has thrown away his career.
I find the whole thing inexplicable and there are comments in the documents that give the impression his solicitor didn't help his cause much.
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He couldn't help him,it was a tribunal,not a court of law. Burgler/Intruder fiction..Neighbours CCTV fact.The rest of it is irrelevant.Question needs to be asked why it took so long.
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So why was he there. Oh yes at the appeal he asked for new information to be considered. ...and what are you blathering on about CCTV. Not seen that in official documents. When this thread has been based around stated facts and people's opinion on said facts it looks like you have decided to add a 'rumour'.
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| Quote ="DemonUK"So why was he there. Oh yes at the appeal he asked for new information to be considered. ...and what are you blathering on about CCTV. Not seen that in official documents. When this thread has been based around stated facts and people's opinion on said facts it looks like you have decided to add a 'rumour'.'"
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| Quote ="DemonUK"So why was he there. Oh yes at the appeal he asked for new information to be considered. ...and what are you blathering on about CCTV. Not seen that in official documents. When this thread has been based around stated facts and people's opinion on said facts it looks like you have decided to add a 'rumour'.'"
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What challenge is that then? I missed it. Just to help you ...sadly I agree with UKAD.
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| Folk are more obsessed with Sam Barlow than they are about Ryan Brierley they are 2 ex Leigh player's who have gone now,the same as Paul Rowley,I'm interested in tomorrow and getting to SL, as go UKAD?I'm more interested in UKIP  and I hate Politics.Bring on the Giants.  |
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When did Barlow become an EX player Charlie?
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| Quote ="atomic"When did Barlow become an EX player Charlie?'"
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His 4 year ban started from last year.Not yesterday.I would say he's been an ex player for quite a while.
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After reading the adjudication I can think of only one word: pigheadedness.
One or two things were, however, not dealt with to the satisfaction of my curiosity
i) The preamble to the release mentioned the need to establish whether UKAD had given sufficient warning of the test, though I can't recall mention of the establishment of that being mentioned thereafter (or indeed any definition of what "sufficient warning" amounts to)
ii) No thought was, at least reported, to have been given to the question of whether Barlow was already aware that the test had been aborted before he gave his Doolittlesque profession to be willing, waiting and wanting to be tested. If UKAD had already decided that "tampering" had occurred and that that was sufficient to warrant the mandatory ban (and to be the sole accusation at the trial) why was this even reported?
iii) I wasn't impressed by the flippancy with which the black-capped QC used the phrase "shining like a ship's beacon" in an official adjudication. Yes, I know I stand correctly accused of all too often being flippant, but it did jar.
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if he would of answered the door like normal people do when there is a nock at it I am sure the doping officer would of made it clear who he was and had shown ID then Sam if nothing to hide would of said come in took the test past it and still be playing for us end of.........
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