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| Hello Maurice
Apologies if that sounded personal it was not meant to. It has indeed been quiet on here and I've had to make do with reading TotalRl and what I can only describe as the general cowed nature of the participants over there.
So yes thanks for getting something going, and it appears I may have misunderstood the jist, no I've paid for my ST so I'd like to watch online live streamed matches with no extra charge.
Seeing as LCTV is currently still free (I believe) to all, I'd hope there are enough out there that would be willing to pay for the live stuff who are those that aren't ST, but I think £30 is steep.
Allowing only ST holders in to live games as a safe distancing measure was the "us and them" I'm referring too.
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| Guess this comes from dereks remark on tv when he said that we had 1300 st holders and being so few the stadium could accommodate social distancing he would ask Toone to allow it.
Given the costs mentioned of putting a game on behind closed doors i dont see any real prospect of games being played.We should take what we can out of the £16 million loan.We will have to see whats left of RL when all the dust settles and the dispute between rfl/sl is resolved.
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| 1. I think Derek said we are financially ok for the rest of the season.
2. If there was no rugby at all this season, what would ST holders expect in return? Me personally, I would relinquish any monies that I've paid. (but that is my choice).
3. If there was any rugby to be played,could social distancing be applied? In my view,yes. (ST holders only)
4. Now then, In the event of rugby being played, Live streaming is a must, (If it is possible of course), to try and get some revenue into the club.
5. I think Mo's suggestion of £30 is a bit steep,(sorry Mo,just my opinion),so let's make it attractive to subscribe to it.
6. How about £15 per Live game or £25 for 2 games?
7. I must admit.I've no idea if these prices are viable or feasible,but they look to be reasonable to a customer/fan to help keep the club healthy.
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| As Derek is a small business owner I'm wonder how he himself is coping at this time?
Not that I have or ever had much time for the WHO but their distancing advice is now 1 metre, think how much more flexibility that offers everyone out there.
Either way distancing is easy enough in seats, in stands, that is some effort with the gaffer tape. Logically would have to make sure no one touches the barriers. Can't really have security policing the none mixing of non-household members.
An ordered queue when leaving when the match is over...I doubt that. Polite applause as the team come over. All a bit sterile.
All or nothing for me.
With regards ST, I've written it off already. Then again after the free Batley match we got a t-shirt out of it
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| Quote ="Cokey"1. I think Derek said we are financially ok for the rest of the season.
2. If there was no rugby at all this season, what would ST holders expect in return? Me personally, I would relinquish any monies that I've paid. (but that is my choice).
3. If there was any rugby to be played,could social distancing be applied? In my view,yes. (ST holders only)
4. Now then, In the event of rugby being played, Live streaming is a must, (If it is possible of course), to try and get some revenue into the club.
5. I think Mo's suggestion of £30 is a bit steep,(sorry Mo,just my opinion),so let's make it attractive to subscribe to it.
6. How about £15 per Live game or £25 for 2 games?
7. I must admit.I've no idea if these prices are viable or feasible,but they look to be reasonable to a customer/fan to help keep the club healthy.'"
The £30 came from its £20+ on gameday and it could be watched by more than one fan.
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| Quote ="satanicmills"Guess this comes from dereks remark on tv when he said that we had 1300 st holders and being so few the stadium could accommodate social distancing he would ask Toone to allow it.
Given the costs mentioned of putting a game on behind closed doors i dont see any real prospect of games being played.We should take what we can out of the £16 million loan.We will have to see whats left of RL when all the dust settles and the dispute between rfl/sl is resolved.'"
When do you suggest we pay the loan back? A lot of fans keep mentioning the £16m but seem to forget its a loan
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| Quote ="maurice"The £30 came from its £20+ on gameday and it could be watched by more than one fan.'"
Although i get where you are coming from mo, I just don't think £30 would tempt folk, I could be wrong of course. It looks like a case of a suck it and see scenario.
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| If it's behind close doors why not do like Derek has suggested and get 3 games on at one ground because it would be alot cheaper on clubs and u could then set up a deal were u can pay to watch one of the games or pay a bit more to watch all 3 with the money made from steaming being shared equally between the teams that are playing,if u stream it at a small cost u never know it could even attract new fans to the game when we open up proper
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| Quote ="maurice"When do you suggest we pay the loan back? A lot of fans keep mentioning the £16m but seem to forget its a loan'"
I understand its a loan presumably on terms we can afford, over a reasonable period.
Rimmer seems to have negotiated it on the basis we need it, or is it the tories paying off an instalment for votes received.
I also understand you need to apply to the rl and make a case to access any funds. I would hope any monies are not going to overpaid sl players but to the areas Rimmer has identified.The alleged amount due to be paid to Inglis is ridiculous, no matter how its being paid.Are we going to see an overall reset in sports transfers/wages with the deep recession thats on its way, think we must, in the short term anyhow.
I have been pessimistic about the long term survival of rl.We have a world cup coming up and that needs to be a success. The £16M might bridge us across to that.
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| There is no point borrowing to pay players not to play, you might as well go tits up and start again later.
Of course the Government are responding to the North turning blue, great isn't it and just think as we get closer to the next election
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| Quote ="maurice"There is no point borrowing to pay players not to play, you might as well go tits up and start again later.
Of course the Government are responding to the North turning blue, great isn't it and just think as we get closer to the next election'"
The Government money is specifically for not paying wages. Anyone borrowing and then doing that would be in deep do da.
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| Quote ="kaykie6"If it's behind close doors why not do like Derek has suggested and get 3 games on at one ground because it would be alot cheaper on clubs and u could then set up a deal were u can pay to watch one of the games or pay a bit more to watch all 3 with the money made from steaming being shared equally between the teams that are playing,if u stream it at a small cost u never know it could even attract new fans to the game when we open up proper'"
So who's paying for the required testing? Who's paying the rental for the ground? Who's paying for the cleaning protocols that need to be in place? Who's paying for transport to the ground? Who's paying for the accommodation required to isolate ALL those involved between testing and games taking place?
SL are talking about restarting in August but it would appear from comments by Michael Carter that they haven't yet thought about what procedure need to be in place nor how much it will cost despite proposing various fixture lists!
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| It looks like it's more beneficial to not restart this season.
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| In some aspects yes. It just destroys that bit of hope and can chip away at any hope of being able to start again next season, with as strong a squad and initial performances.
And, if it still or has ever bothered people, it does give Toronto a chance to stay up, assuming SL restarts and/or promoting & relegation are revoked this season. This then leads on to the worry that licensing may come back.
All these ideas and thoughts I've seen floated, so you can feel the urgency to want to have some chance, as soon as possible, of getting back into the top league before it becomes a closed shop again.
Of course you can't get promoted if you don't have a club (or at the worst and most pessimist, a sport), so it comes down to what is the best in at least ensure survival.
I don't have any answers, just like everyone, we'll have to be as pragmatic as can be.
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| Licensing has to come back, but not like it was. We must protect the fan bases we have by expanding full time SL in some way. You can’t keep adding non UK clubs and keep the total at 12 or 14
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| Quote ="Cokey"It looks like it's more beneficial to not restart this season.
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Sadly Derek, I agree. It had only just started, hopefully next season can start on time. Club owners won't agree with me after all the cash they have spent, and all the sponsors/season ticket holders.
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| Quote ="maurice"The Championship resumes initially behind closed doors, screened live on LCTV/Subscription channel. , but then is played to reduced capacity, say 1500 in LSV, to satisfy safe distancing but that means it's ST only but again is shown live on LCTV or another subscription channel.
Would you pay £30 per game to watch via subscription?'"
Not £30 as I am a *nationally* below average earner, as it's about £20 to stand & watch in the North Stand then that's what I would pay, as long as it is made accessible on call up *as I am also a shift worker*.
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| Qui Quote ="Ste100Centurions"Not £30 as I am a *nationally* below average earner, as it's about £20 to stand & watch in the North Stand then that's what I would pay, as long as it is made accessible on call up *as I am also a shift worker*.'"
You must have saved a few quid Ste. I haven’t seen any posts from you complaining in the last 3 months.
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| Quote ="atomic"QuiYou must have saved a few quid Ste. I haven’t seen any posts from you complaining in the last 3 months.'"
You won't have seen any posts from me on here for much longer than 3 months, been giving the site a swerve.
Anyway, circumstances ar different for everyone, I am a single parent being financially screwed by my Ex !!!
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| More worrying according to League Express, Wildie is going to Fev, Reynolds to Toulouse and Addy to Salford. Are these just rumours?
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| Yes...or maybe not !
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| Heard last week Addy and Sammut already left.
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| Given the decisions about the future of the game I can see why some players would move on, it there are positions in SL clubs it makes sense, but going to other Championship sides seems a more concerning move vis a vis our financial stability again.
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| Quote ="Harry Stottle"Heard last week Addy and Sammut already left.'"
Not according to Sammut, who tweeted yesterday (26th) that he/Leigh were ready to play in Toronto’s place in SL.
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| Danny Addy is no longer a Leigh RLFC contracted player. He has earned himself a Super League gig. He could have achieved that with us but RFL decisions outside the club's control have expedited it on his behalf. He didnt really want to leave us in these circumstances, he was enjoying his Rugby again, but hey, Good luck to the boy. It's a short career.
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