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| Quote ="Deeeekos"From my own personal point of view.
I'm not going to watch Leigh live currently because I can't justify £30 to myself but mainly because I can't be bothered with the current nonsense regulations due to the virus of unspecified origin. If everything returns to as it was, come 21st June, then I'd hope for a sensible drop in price as more fans can get in and be, well, fans.
I've seen terrible Leigh teams in the past, this has never deterred me from turning season after season but of course I've watched them for decades, churning out heavy loss after heavy loss isn't going to inspire newbies or really lapsed fans from returning.
Leyther14 has spelled it out, those that know what the plan is for next season have not and can not speak about it. Even speaking to my Wigan supporting mates, they are convinced there will be no relegation this season though. If there is, then I still don't know what the point of all this was.
If there isn't, then we can kick on come the autumn.
Though I still have this nagging doubt that even if no relegation has been promised there is a heavy asterisk hanging over it, which I fully expect the RFL to renege on when push comes to shove. I'll remain pessimistic until then.'"
John Duffy was on radio manc post match and comments can also be seen in journal yesterday
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| Quote ="atomic"I doubt that would work in his favour. If P&R is put on hold. Retaining SL status supports his business, sponsorship and international commitments within his business. He wouldn’t get a better marketing deal from anywhere for the price.'"
Would agree with that as you say "If P&R is put on hold", and if it isn't Atomic what then?
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| Hope you guys pull through but don't kid yourselves about relegation being postponed. That rumour used to pop up in our neck of the woods whenever we were in the poop. There was never anything to it.
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| Quote ="Bullseye"Hope you guys pull through but don't kid yourselves about relegation being postponed. That rumour used to pop up in our neck of the woods whenever we were in the poop. There was never anything to it.'"
The issue is Bully the secrecy around it all. Yes P&R is still on in the RFL model. As for SL all the chairman seem to be on non-disclosure. Mr Beaumont himself going into hiding. We’ve lost two players to Wigan out of an already depleted squad, and not one statement from the hierarchy.
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| Quote ="Harry Stottle"Would agree with that as you say "If P&R is put on hold", and if it isn't Atomic what then?'"
Then at least we will have clarity we are back in the Championship. It can’t get any worse than what is happening now. If you think Mr Beaumont is after getting out, then that will leave Leigh short of funds. But the club cannot be held to ransom that way.
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| Quote ="atomic"The issue is Bully the secrecy around it all. Yes P&R is still on in the RFL model. As for SL all the chairman seem to be on non-disclosure. Mr Beaumont himself going into hiding. We’ve lost two players to Wigan out of an already depleted squad, and not one statement from the hierarchy.
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Michael Carter of Wakefield covered this on a Q&A a couple of weeks ago. No talks have even been considered about scrapping relegation, it will be happening this year.
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| Quote ="The Charlie Caroli"VL , I’m in full agreement with you , but something needs to be done as soon as possible before it’s to late , JD needs to realise his job is on the line , and take action NOW no room for sentiment , he has to change things , Reynolds isn’t working at 6 , his days are numbered , look at other SL sixes , no comparison , we need a bit of luck with injuries , get some troops back, and try to put 80 minutes in not 40 .
The players are fighting for their lives as well , for me some are not SL standard , if McCarthey ,Helliwell, Sau ,and Wildie left the Club , they wouldn’t be in SL ,Cmon JD be ruthless , we need wins and fast , some fans took for granted wins against Wakey , Hull KR , Salford , and Hudds would happen , well they won’t , time is ticking by let’s act before it’s to late .'"
YES,I agree.The experienced S.L coach goes by the name of Shaun Wayne.Get rid of all the coaching staff and hangers on who he does not want,let him have his own people.Do it before its too late.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"Michael Carter of Wakefield covered this on a Q&A a couple of weeks ago. No talks have even been considered about scrapping relegation, it will be happening this year.'"
Did he comment on a restructure?
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| Quote ="atomic"Did he comment on a restructure?'"
SL will be 12 teams next season and highly likely 12 the following. Any potential restructure would be planned in advance for season 2024 and linked into a broadcast deal starting that year.
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| Quote ="newshy38"YES,I agree.The experienced S.L coach goes by the name of Shaun Wayne.Get rid of all the coaching staff and hangers on who he does not want,let him have his own people.Do it before its too late.'"
Do you mean Shaun Wane the current England coach who’s preparing for a World Cup in a few months time.
I’ve a funny feeling that he may not be available, although I do also have a feeling that we have asked him to act in an advisory role and he couldn’t commit to that either
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"SL will be 12 teams next season and highly likely 12 the following. Any potential restructure would be planned in advance for season 2024 and linked into a broadcast deal starting that year.'"
Is this the same meeting that only a handful of SL chairman were privy too? Or just your own opinion?
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| Normally when we have injuries DB normally moves fast to loan or bring in extra players. Is this harder this year.... getting loans from other SL teams. Did that initially with Reynolds and Gelling and few loanees but that seems to have dried up. Seems like they only should have taken the gig if they had known they would be protected against relegation otherwise just the whipping boys and a wasted season.
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| Quote ="Leyther14"Normally when we have injuries DB normally moves fast to loan or bring in extra players. Is this harder this year.... getting loans from other SL teams. Did that initially with Reynolds and Gelling and few loanees but that seems to have dried up. Seems like they only should have taken the gig if they had known they would be protected against relegation otherwise just the whipping boys and a wasted season.'"
Exactly, looks like (although I might be wrong) we're not even trying to bring any short term loan signings in.
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| Quote ="Budgiezilla"Exactly, looks like (although I might be wrong) we're not even trying to bring any short term loan signings in.'"
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| Quote ="atomic"Is this the same meeting that only a handful of SL chairman were privy too? Or just your own opinion?'"
It’s what was agreed on in the last SL meeting, no changes to the structure at this time.
Whilst i’ve no doubt some might want to change again the money just isn’t there for for 14 teams (my favoured option) or to fund two leagues of 10. With the new deal there isn’t really enough for 12 as it is.
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Why wouldn't all the super league chairman be privy to that same meeting? or is that simply your own opinion that some were excluded?
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"I don't know which one of us that applied for SL this year could have done any better. Maybe Toulouse could have recruited a few bigger names but I suspect they'd be in about the same slot on the table right now. The question is, if you do go straight back down, are you in a worse position than if you hadn't applied at all? I hope not. Anyway, best of luck from this particular bull.'"
The problem is you are damned if you do and damned if you don't. I am sure had Leigh decided not to have a pop I am sure there would have been an outcry by fans.
I agree though it's a potential poisoned chalice and could see the club having a real setback in its development.
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Quote ="happyjack"Why wouldn't all the super league chairman be privy to that same meeting? or is that simply your own opinion that some were excluded?'"
In the same way only a handful were privy to the new Sky deal.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... on-5353349
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In the same way only a handful were privy to the new Sky deal.
https://www.hulldailymail.co.uk/sport/r ... on-5353349
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To be fair Leigh only got the nod in mid December. In a normal promotion year they'd have known in September ish giving them two or three extra months to recruit. Still a big ask but the process this year was especially harsh for their squad building.
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| Quote ="Pumpetypump"To be fair Leigh only got the nod in mid December. In a normal promotion year they'd have known in September ish giving them two or three extra months to recruit. Still a big ask but the process this year was especially harsh for their squad building.'"
Degsey thought he could spend money on a squad, with a couple of NRL players included, and just simply not finish bottom.....It just doesn't work like that.
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| Quote ="Sacred Cow"It’s what was agreed on in the last SL meeting, no changes to the structure at this time.
Whilst i’ve no doubt some might want to change again the money just isn’t there for for 14 teams (my favoured option) or to fund two leagues of 10. With the new deal there isn’t really enough for 12 as it is.'"
Look at the bits in bold, both in the past tense I honestly cannot see if there are full seasons played in all three divisions how promotion and relegation can be ignored, if Leigh was in the Championship and gained the promotion spot these pages and every other platform would be awash with protests if promotion was denied as it would be for any other team and quite rightly so.
In fact, those clubs in the Championship that have speculated on their team recruitment to challenge for the title and spent a lot of money in the process could be said to have lost out more than Leigh will have done if we get relegated after all the squad we have put together for this year has been financed by the funding we have been awarded.
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| Quote ="Harry Stottle"Look at the bits in bold, both in the past tense I honestly cannot see if there are full seasons played in all three divisions how promotion and relegation can be ignored, if Leigh was in the Championship and gained the promotion spot these pages and every other platform would be awash with protests if promotion was denied as it would be for any other team and quite rightly so.
In fact, those clubs in the Championship that have speculated on their team recruitment to challenge for the title and spent a lot of money in the process could be said to have lost out more than Leigh will have done if we get relegated after all the squad we have put together for this year has been financed by the funding we have been awarded.'"
Exactly Harry. The £450k boasting to Wilkin was a distraction to what you have stated. Things don’t still add up I’m afraid.
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In fact, those clubs in the Championship that have speculated on their team recruitment to challenge for the title and spent a lot of money in the process could be said to have lost out more than Leigh will have done if we get relegated after all the squad we have put together for this year has been financed by the funding we have been awarded.'"
I'm not sure what your argument is here? I’m saying the system isn’t changing, which also includes p&r. Without a doubt that should continue and it will. And for next season at least it will be staying a 12 team league.
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