Three coaches yet we still played a new recruit on our left edge .Do they not watch videos of opposing teams 90% of Masilas trys come there and to bring a new player in who would only have trained with the team a few times was idiotic.Brown could have been left there for another game with either McNally or Reynolds at full back

Staying as is, or finding a new coach could each be seen as a gamble. But the worrying thing for me is the same things happening time after time. If we'd just been blown away yesterday I wouldn't have minded so much. But we get ourselves in a game and shoot ourselves in the foot. Then Jukes gives the same interview time and time again, giving little confidence that he knows how to get another win.

He's lost the plot. Uses injuries as an excuse and chops and changes too much even when players aren't injured. Neil is not a Super League Manager and the fans on here who think he is are delusional.

Thanks for everything Neil but time to go !

Great isn't it , all these RL geniuses that inhabit these pages , " we need this player dropping , we need that player dropping , why play him there , he shouldn't play here " and yet non can provide 1 single player , or coach who is available to come in to replace what we have , they all seem to know which players are injured or not ,

So come on all you tap room know it alls , who do you want to replace Jukesy with , in fact if you're that bloody clever , ring Dereck and ask to do the job yourself , obviously you're better than him

But you're not are you

We continue with who we have

Don't get carried away Starbug, this is a just a forum - a place where people discuss things that are talked about every day in the pubs. That's the whole point of a forum - people exchange views, offer advice and sometimes argue just for the hell of it.

Calm down dear.

I'm never a fan of a coach being sacked but our record is now dreadful and performances do need to change and change quickly as what we are now seeing is unacceptable.
I can take we are not getting any 50/50 calls and that has a small effect but equally I never see our on field leaders build a rapport or even slightly pressure the ref in a way O'loughlin, Hill, or a Kirmond does - losing Higham for his ability to chat with the ref as well as his undoubted on field skills has been massive and irreplaceable for us
I think some of our players need to look in the mirror as frankly what they are putting out is not acceptable, I was gutted at full time yesterday (and over £120.00 lighter for that feeling)yet some of our players was having a chit chat with the Salford lads and a laugh and a joke, they then come over to applaud the fans.
I appreciate that goes on in RL these days but I can't help but feel if Salford had lost 9 on the spin that they would have applauded the support and hit the sheds quickly and saved the personal chats for after they had spoke about what had gone wrong on the field.

Neils hand is held somewhat as we don't have a reserves / academy or any real chance to bring in fresh blood (I really hope we have ensured all this is in place for next season)and as we are seeing losing is a habit (just as last year winning was a habit), if players don't feel that hurt (some clearly do, others clearly don't) then your coach needs to take charge, waiting for the 8's to change things is a long wait and one I fear would cause more damage than good.
One thing I would ask is are we doing everything possible to get our injured players back, Smith had a broken leg at Saints yet they did everything possible to get him back as they saw a huge problem without him, I'm sure the club are but if there is anything that can be explored in sports science to get Higham and co back quicker then lets try it, our season is turning very sour.

I don't think anybody on here is applying for the job. But we can't keep losing games and just accepting it, there's going to be criticism, especially when unforced changes backfire like they did yesterday.

Was at the match and didn't really notice but plenty of people Ive seen today have said today it sailed wide.
Anyone watch it on TV and able to see for certain?

Everybody who posts on this Forum is entitled to voice their opinion,whether they went to Newcastle, watched it on TV,read about it in the papers, or heard folk chatting in the Pub,as Mish rightly says this is a Forum for debate mostly on Rugby matters and whatever corner you are in either Pro or Against Jukesy you are entitled to have your say.
Myself I love Horse Racing, and have never sat on a horse in my life , but I know when a horse is a Frankel or a Dobbin,it's the same with Rugby you don't have to have played for GB to know when a team has played well or not.

Unfortunately we can't call on our youngsters to replace injuries,as we don't have a second team and have to rely on loans ,having said that was it right to let Riddy go on loan?Again I'm not sure who makes the decisions,we have around 9 games left to find out now our best 17 players, but I think we should concentrate now on the middle 8s,whether it's with Jukesy in charge,I'm not sure, the question is who would be ready to replace him?Though Catalans now have the same problem.

Jenky, I watched it on Sky, and couldn't say for certain if it went over the crossbar or not.

Performances or results ?

We lost by 14 to a team currently in the top 3 ? , on the back of some decidedly ' inconsistent ' decisions against us

Not my opinion , but the opinion of neutral fans I was sat with

Maybe Hull should sack Radford ?

Some need to get a grip

Hull haven't lost 9 in a row, so not a like for like comparison. We lost by 14 points, but once it went to 12 all, how many felt we would actually win? We might not be getting thrashed, but we're also not looking like winning games, which means we're not really competing. For every 'inconsistent' decision, there was a stupid mistake by a Leigh player. We can't seem to cut these out, and we listen to the coach giving the same post loss interview every week.

I was realistic about chances of finishing in top 8 (slim), but also thought that Wakefield home & away, Widnes, Catalans were games I thought we would be capable of winning, while Leeds at home was also a missed opportunity, as we cannot win close games.

Hull Fc next match - Jukesy in charge - Hull Fc 16 - 24 Leigh Centurions.

I regularly discuss ' in the pub ' about ' know it all idiots who half the time don't bother actually watching things but like to offer opinions on them , so I'm obviously ok to have my opinion of them

Wouldn't you say ? , it is after all just a forum

calm down dear

Unforced change in your opinion ?

So who do you want to replace Jukes ?

And we aren't a club that's spent nigh on 20 years in SL who won the challenge Cup last season and is expected to be a top 3/4 club this season , so hardly a like for like comparison is it ?

As for ' stupid mistakes ' , apart from Adams brain fart , what comes to mind ? , or is a Knock on by us stupid but for others it isn't ?

After Lui's knock on , Adam grabbed the ball only to be bundled into touch , but it was a knock on so his decision was right , except it then isn't a knock on , so what now , he has to mind read an official ?

Are you suggesting that Naughton and McNally are injured? Because left centre from the Wakefield game didn't look injured when playing full back yesterday. The guy playing left edge second row against Wakefield was also in the 17 yesterday, but playing down the middle. (In this case we've replaced a player in poor form, with a poor player). Completely changing the left edge was not forced on anyone.

I've not gone looking for a replacement for Jukes, but if I'd put the money in that DB has, I'd have started. Do you think he can keep us in Super league?

Question one - My point is, I'm not criticising Jukes based on one game, like you suggested with Radford. Basing it on a season so far.

Question two - Conceding the penalty for crossing after going 12-6 up. Losing the ball after a break straight after half time, the red card. Fleming's knock on after dropping on a ball was a stupid mistake. And yes, Higson running the ball into touch. Which leads me to;

Question three - I don't expect him to read the mind of an official. I expect him to play to the whistle. It wasn't a knock on. It went backwards. He needed to drop onto the ball and regain possession.

No I'm not suggesting they were injured , I'm suggesting that Jukes is a proffessional RL coach , doing IMO a reasonably good job in very difficult circumstances , he has quality support in his team of coaches and they are capable of keeping us in SL

Maybe we can entice Watson from Salford ? , you know , the one who was 1 tackle away from relegating his team to the Championship

Fine margins in this league , and fine marginal decisions going against you can have a huge effect on results , a new coach or 3/4 new players will not change that

Ok , point one , which teams have ripped us apart so far this season ?

Point two , watch the rest of the games , others make exactly the same stupid mistakes , some even win after doing it

Point three , the ref doesn't blow his whistle after a knock on , Adam saw a knock on , as did myself and pretty much everybody else I've asked since , nine out of ten , that's a knock on , Adam saw an opportunity in what he saw was a free play with a space to run through , if it had been a knock on and he had dropped on it most likely I'd be on here arguing with someone suggesting he should have picked it up and ran with it

He does make a signal / call to indicate free play, which he didn't make on this occaision. Assuming a free play just yards from your own line in a close game is idiotic. I didn't see the knock on, I saw a ball land behind a player, then watched with head in hands as Higson picked the ball up and ended up in touch.

Some teams make more mistakes than others, none make more than us. And we tend to do it just as we've got ourselves into a game (widnes and wakey at home prime examples)

I've said elsewhere (maybe on this thread), that both keeping or replacing Jukes could be seen as a gamble, but confidence in him reduces with every loss. Especially when it's the same loss over and over again. I'd rather get thrashed one game and win another than lose by 14 every time. It's still 3 scores, so not exactly a tight game.

As has been said earlier on it the thread, everyone is entitled to an opinion regardless of whether they actually saw the game or not or whether they're actually Leigh fans or not. However, whether you care to read what they write or bother responding to it is entirely up to you.

Yes I too would rather get thrashed and then win , but it isn't like that , in 2005 we just kept getting thrashed , that given our small ( and relatively old ) squad is the more likely outcome

Adam didn't have time to look at the ref , he called it as he saw it

So ok it wasnt a knock on , was the one by Matty on their line ? , was their try a double , treble movement ?

As I said earlier , performances or results ? , I'm happy with the performances , we have competed in just about every game , usually going into the last quarter with a reasonable chance of claiming a victory , despite having just as many injury issues as most of the other clubs with better resources ( not that you'd here that in the media )

To me it becomes a self fulfilling prophecy , " Leigh are the most penalised team in SL " , so we will be penalised more , " Leigh will try to slow down Salford/Cas/Leeds/Hulls fast play " so will be penalised for doing so " Leigh make the most mistakes " , so will be penalised for making them more

So we end up trying harder , too hard in fact , and yes then you do start making more mistakes

Maybe if the media ( and the officials ) started watching replays of the games and commented on say " Leeds get away with more forward passes than any other team " , then they'd get penalised more for it ?