I think Ste what he meant was,they didn't stick to the game plan.

Personally I would have the same team out again against Oldham. Nevermind swapping and changing,we need them all reading off the same page this season as all will be used.If that means players out of their comfort zones then so be it.

Should have changed line up at half time.

Thats how special coaches make he difference

Ryan to full back and Chase to Half Back.

Said it before and I'll say it again, no no no to Chase at full back.

I would have had Jp at full back but hey Ho.

Beswick in the drinks queue said he'd tweaked something and had to pull out.

Good to Barlow at the bottom of the terraces chatting

I'd stick with Neil for at least 10 games and re-assess

What a load of OWD Pony thi yaps , av a word wi thisen,it's a gud job tha not Coach wi rubbish tha spouts.

There's another 12 without you last posting your incredible wit on here.

Sorry thats 11 now.

What's up with you.

I think a few people have mis-interpreted the title of this and jumped on it thinking its a Witch Hunt or something !! It was reason to cause a debate, not to think that after 80 minutes, good old Snowy think he is already inept and we need a change !!

Jukes will be under severe pressure no doubt and someone made a valid point stating that he too would need a decent number 2 to assist and ease the pressure. Perfectly valid but it is some step up for him.

I personally think we will be okay. In my opinion a Monkey from Chester Zoo should be able to coach us to a top 4 finish, especially with the clientèle we have on the pitch.

In regards to creativity, I see it a few ways. Ridyard to Centre is a No No as he hasn't the pace, nor defence to be a usefull asset.

Ridyard - Possible LF or Hooker if not playing 6 ?

Brierley - In an attacking sense, he would be my full back all day of the week. Defensively / all round, I would put Liam Kay there

Chase - Wasted at FB and either a 6 or possibly a 9, for whom he would be devastating at the PTB.

My team would be :

1 - Kay
2 - Brierley (with the freedom to do what he wants when on attack)
3 - Worthington
4 - Tonga
5 - Armstrong
6 - Ridyard
7- Chase
8 - MoiMoi
9 - Higham
10 - Weston
11- Hansen
12 - Matua
13 - Paterson

14 - Higson (Utility Sub)
15 - Hopkins
16 - Beswick
17 - Spencer

Time for more Debate !!! LOL

Is it just me that doesn't understand the necessity in having Ridyard/Brierley/Chase on the field at the same time?

Personally I think attempting to shoehorn them in, where others are better suited will only end badly.

All three are terrific players at this level, which (if managed correctly) should only be advantageous to Leigh. Competition for places is a good thing and can bring out the best in a player.

Sorry Snowy, not convinced with that one. Not in the backs at least.

We have 3 good wingers at the club, I would let them play on the wing rather than stick a halfback and an out of form centre there. Tonga and Pala are injured for a while yet and Harper is very raw so I think Worthington and Armstrong are pretty much our only options in the centres.

Kay could maybe do a job at full back but Pownall has played there much more often and we have presumably just signed Lee Smith for that position to cover for McNally. Also, Kay is the best winger at the club and the best in the league so why play him out of position?

6-17 I agree with although I would find a spot for Emmitt in my team as I think he is class. Probably instead of Higson, not a fan of having wingers on the bench.

I agree that Riddy and Rangi is probably our best halves combo. I watched the game back last night and for their 1st and 3rd tries Brierley shoots out of the line and they come in behind him as he is way out of position. Would have no issues with him being dropped to be honest. He had a very poor game on Sunday although his reaction when he scored in front of the fans was fantastic and showed how much he still wants to be here.

After questions about last weeks selection it will be interesting to see how Jukesy sets us up against Oldham!

I'd go:

Smith

Higson
Worthington
Armstrong
Kay

Ridyard
Chase

Moimoi (awesome on Sunday)
Higham
Weston
Dixon
Hansen
Paterson

Subs:
Beswick
Hock
Emmitt
Spencer

Nozzy you can't leave Ryan out, he can score from anywhere on the pitch, kick goals, links the backs and forwards very well with his passes,and after watches his celebration on Sunday after he scored has got his hunger and passion back, for me the first name on my team sheet EVERY week. Charlie knows.

This.

Nozzy have a quiet word with yourself, by the way how long have you been Coaching Rugby?

Every coach of every team in every sport is under pressure but I don't think Jukes will be under undue pressure just yet. You can't take away from Batley & how well they played, yes we should have done better but that's down to the players not the coach. Half backs did go missing, without victimising or blaming anyone for anything I think in some of the Super 8s games, the friendly against Warrington & the Batley game when the going gets tough Ryan can sometimes go missing; we have 3 excellent half backs competing for 2 positions, don't play them out of position let them compete for the 2 available. For me at the moment it's Ridy & Rangi that get the spots.

So would you drop Ryan?

An honest question.
Do you think the players were/are distracted with the recent upheavals and are the players behind Jukes?

John my opinion and answer to your questions are No the players weren't distracted by what had happened previously, and Yes I think all the players as well as most of the Fans are behind Jukesy 100%.

I don't think Ryan EVER goes missing. In some games he tries a little too hard and becomes less effective.Sunday was one such game.

What would I do on Sunday, I really don't know as Ryan, Riddy and Chase for me did not stand out as much as they can and probably should

LF it's probably obvious I like Ryan and have a lot of time for him, last season
n his role in the team seemed to involve linking the forwards with the backs, but I think Rangi will, do that this season, allowing Ryan to feed off Rangis passes and breaks,I still think Ryan is worth maybe 30 tries or more this season and therefore shouldn't be dropped,where does Riddy fit in?For me at Centre.

The point of having 3 halves is the ability to rotate them so they aren't knackered come the middle 8's like last season. No need to play them all every week

And what happens if one ends up injured,your back to two again.How many players needed ops last season! 8 was it? So whats wrong with moving Riddy to to give them a rest.

Rangi and Ryan for me for what its worth.

One of them as sub each week ,if the on pitch halves are not going well we can switch them around

To give who a rest? None of the halves are getting a rest if all 3 are playing. When pals and Tonga are back they should be rotated with Armstrong and worthington

Im from the old School ,you never heard of rotation in the owd days, rotation was for spuds and carrots,and turnips,these guys train all week they are fit and strong,you always play your strongest 17 unless someone is injured ,when we went on our record breaking run of victories there was no rotation.Last season when we had a nightmare in the 8's it wasn't down to lack of rotation, but we were outplayed.If a player plays well he gets a shirt,if he doesn't he's dropped.Charlie knows.I used to play every week ,sometimes 2 or 3 times a week, without feeling tired.Poker can be a very hard game at times.

It's no coincidence that we needed so many operations at the end of the season Ian. It makes sense to rotate if we have the squad, otherwise the players aren't ready to slot in if 1st choice players get injured. Even more important this season with more reserves.

I draw the line at putting ridy in the centres though!

Iggy,we have 3 halves who for me all have different strengths to their game,Rangi is a running ball player who can create gaps in the defensive line,Ryan is a support player who has the speed to finish off chances when they are created,he also has the skills to pass and link the forwards and backs, we're Riddy can create gaps with his deft passes and has a good kicking game.For me they can all play in the same 17,Rangi and Ryan's style would compliment each other,an example is a few years ago my mate from Wigan Andy Greg, played with Shaun Edwards ,Andy style is similar to Rangis and Shaun style is very similar to Ryan's, Shaun fed off Andy passes ,and scored loads of tries, also in the line up was Dean Bell ,a guy with a similar style to Riddy , playing at centre, it worked a treat for Wigan then , maybe worth a try for us now?
We have a class pack of forwards,when Cory Patterson is fit he has a skilled pair of hands, in the Harry Pinner mold,I'm really excited at the potential line up we could field,when the drier grounds arrive we will be frightening.
Batleys ground on Sunday didn't suit our style sloping narrow pitch,and when Rangi dropped that high ball it was nearly Dark

.I'm sure we will recover and start to rip teams apart, hopefully starting on Sunday, I'm tipping a Leigh win by at least 40 points maybe more.