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| Quote ="vastman"Dumdest point in a generally dumb thread.
Where on earth does it state that there is a level playing field. What are you suggesting, that the bottom 4 SL teams go part time and shed half their players - get real.
As for the general argument regarding recruitment, Wakefield can sign who they want when the want finances permitting. That said the squad is pretty much the same in terms os cost and quality as it was at the start of the season. However the new players seem to suit our needs far more. When a coach like Brian Smith joins you he's bound to make changes or are you denying him that option?
If it's any consolation our defence is still a little fragile and as yet we have not managed the full 80 minutes. Also you've played and beaten us once so you know the drill - anyones game still IMHO.
BUT NO EXCUSES PLEASE.'"
Not all Championship sides are part -time.. And who said anything about knocking SL salary cap down.Both Bradford and London were given parachute payments for being relegated and still remain full-time. You speak totally from a SL perspective and obviously suffering from tunnel vision.
If the roles change next season,I'm pretty sure you'll be asking the same questions.
You will get no excuses from me.As Saturday will definitely be a level playing field.
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| Quote ="Jizzer"Alot of emphasis seems to be on salary cap, but forgetting Wakey are/were operating on the lowest budget in Super League by quite a bit. Wakey even offloaded some of the higher earners, and replaced them with players who are either on loan or probably on less than their predecessors. So I dare say are now on an even lower salary budget than earlier in the season. Pretty weak argument in my opinion.'"
I think it was JGR who stated in another thread that Salford were 300k under the salary cap with their offloading..Thats still 550k above our salary cap.Yes pretty weak argument indeed.
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| At the beginning of this season SL's elite played the NRL elite, Saints got hammered as they were not used to playing at such intensity against better players. I am sure that after a season in the NRL they would not lose by the same margin and the younger players would be greatly improved
We are in that transition, and if we can beat the champ clubs will be better prepared for the one off game to decide promotion
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| Quote ="maurice"At the beginning of this season SL's elite played the NRL elite, Saints got hammered as they were not used to playing at such intensity against better players. I am sure that after a season in the NRL they would not lose by the same margin and the younger players would be greatly improved
We are in that transition, and if we can beat the champ clubs will be better prepared for the one off game to decide promotion'"
I agree.
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| Quote ="atomic"I think it was JGR who stated in another thread that Salford were 300k under the salary cap with their offloading..Thats still 550k above our salary cap.Yes pretty weak argument indeed.'"
Your original post on this thread, I believe, was aimed at Wakefield, not Salford. Who I dare say will be still spending alot more than Wakey. However I guess this will be forgotten about again if Leigh win.
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| Quote ="jonny the leyther"Why's wanting to talk about the game a "dumb thread"?
:3exlx9ztRemembering why I don't bother with this forum anymore.[
It might have something to do with you being a poor tipster, you did after all predict Bradford would put 40 points on us
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| Quote ="Jizzer"Your original post on this thread, I believe, was aimed at Wakefield, not Salford. Who I dare say will be still spending alot more than Wakey. However I guess this will be forgotten about again if Leigh win.'"
Well I stated Salford for a couple of reasons..One of which you have one in your ranks included in your salary cap. As for something being well publicized as some say to your current income/expenditure.Do you have a link to prove what your saying..
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| I don't think you'll need a link to know that Wakefield can't spend the same as Salford.
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| Quote ="atomic"Well I stated Salford for a couple of reasons..One of which you have one in your ranks included in your salary cap. As for something being well publicized as some say to your current income/expenditure.Do you have a link to prove what your saying..'"
Did you state Salford because of their somewhat frivolous owner who openly states he doesn't really care too much for the salary cap? Taken from an interview with Michael Carter in the YEP earlier in the year: "This year was always in my mind one of staying in Super League. If we can achieve this, then next year through our debt reduction and increase in TV money, we would have an extra £175k to invest in the first team. This would bring us to just £50k short of the current salary cap limit."
Not sure how accurate this is, but going by that, we are operating at £225k less than the current salary cap. Although this interview was in May, and we have since offloaded some higher earners. Granted the Championship has less to play with, but the point is you're up against a team running with the smallest budget in the League you are competing for a place in. Fair enough we now have Locke from Salford, but if rumors are to be believed he's not on a massive wedge, and apparently offered to play for peanuts just to get some game time to prepare himself for a return to the NRL.
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| As I understand it Locke's salary cap value has nothing to do with how much you are paying him, it is set from his value at Salford, though I have been known to be wrong in the past.
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| Is Hock fit, I was told Saturday he was out for four weeks
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| Quote ="bazzo44"Is Hock fit, I was told Saturday he was out for four weeks'"
He's out. Was due to go for op Friday gone
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| Quote ="Norman Bates"As I understand it Locke's salary cap value has nothing to do with how much you are paying him, it is set from his value at Salford, though I have been known to be wrong in the past.'"
Whatever Locke's salary cap value is or was at Salford, he won't be receiving anywhere near that at Wakefield, and I doubt even if we doubled his Salford wages and his salary cap value we would be in danger of breaching the salary cap.
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| When a player is on contract you offload by settling the remainder of his contract or by allowing him to sign for another team without a few -which players signed for another club?
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| I don't agree.
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| Quote ="chissitt"Whatever Locke's salary cap value is or was at Salford, he won't be receiving anywhere near that at Wakefield, and I doubt even if we doubled his Salford wages and his salary cap value we would be in danger of breaching the salary cap.'"
Locke's salary of £260,000 will still count on Wakefield's cap, that's not to say he is being paid that. Infact he is reportedly only earning £60,000 per annum at Wakefield.
Since we off-loaded Locke (£260k) and Hock (£150k) people might be surprised at what Salford's salary cap actually looks like. It's nowhere near the full £1.80m.
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| Stolen from another forum
This weekends likely line up to play Leigh, 13 of the 17 have been at Wakefield all season (Arundel missed the first 3 games).
3 of the other 4 are replacements for better or similar players who've left the club
Doesn't exactly fit the Paul Rowley conspiracy theory does it!
L Smith
Lyne Existing Player
Arundel Existing Player
Tupou Bought to replace Dean Collis
Riley Existing Player
Miller Existing Player
T Smith Existing Player
Anderson Existing Player
Sio Bought to replace McShane
Scruton Existing Player
Ashurst Existing Player
Molloy Existing Player
Washbrook Existing Player
Godinet Existing Player
Lauitiiti Existing Player
Simon Existing Player
Mullally Swapped with Dan Smith going the other way
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Stolen from another forum
This weekends likely line up to play Leigh, 13 of the 17 have been at Wakefield all season (Arundel missed the first 3 games).
3 of the other 4 are replacements for better or similar players who've left the club
Doesn't exactly fit the Paul Rowley conspiracy theory does it!
L Smith
Lyne Existing Player
Arundel Existing Player
Tupou Bought to replace Dean Collis
Riley Existing Player
Miller Existing Player
T Smith Existing Player
Anderson Existing Player
Sio Bought to replace McShane
Scruton Existing Player
Ashurst Existing Player
Molloy Existing Player
Washbrook Existing Player
Godinet Existing Player
Lauitiiti Existing Player
Simon Existing Player
Mullally Swapped with Dan Smith going the other way'"
Is Scutchy playing?
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"Is Scutchy playing?'"
If I had any idea who Scutchy is I might be able to answer
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| Quote ="The Avenger"Stolen from another forum
This weekends likely line up to play Leigh, 13 of the 17 have been at Wakefield all season (Arundel missed the first 3 games).
3 of the other 4 are replacements for better or similar players who've left the club
Doesn't exactly fit the Paul Rowley conspiracy theory does it!
L Smith
Lyne Existing Player
Arundel Existing Player
Tupou Bought to replace Dean Collis
Riley Existing Player
Miller Existing Player
T Smith Existing Player
Anderson Existing Player
Sio Bought to replace McShane
Scruton Existing Player
Ashurst Existing Player
Molloy Existing Player
Washbrook Existing Player
Godinet Existing Player
Lauitiiti Existing Player
Simon Existing Player
Mullally Swapped with Dan Smith going the other way'"
I make that 8 players not in that squad that was in the team that met Leigh.
Probably says as much about the changes in coach and direction at Wakefield as much as anything else and the transformation the club has had to go through.
Must people will say Wakefield used a loop hole (whatever your view on it - be it wrong or right)to sign players that I suspect the RFL will no doubt ensure is closed for next season.
Wakefield was a SL team when we met in the cup and was hot favourites and having added significantly to that squad they are again hot favourites but equally Leigh are a very good entertaining RL team, all points towards another cracker!
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| Quote ="JENKY"I make that 8 players not in that squad that was in the team that met Leigh.
Probably says as much about the changes in coach and direction at Wakefield as much as anything else and the transformation the club has had to go through.
Must people will say Wakefield used a loop hole (whatever your view on it - be it wrong or right)to sign players that I suspect the RFL will no doubt ensure is closed for next season.
Wakefield was a SL team when we met in the cup and was hot favourites and having added significantly to that squad they are again hot favourites but equally Leigh are a very good entertaining RL team, all points towards another cracker!'"
Players in this weeks squad that didn't play in the Challenge Cup was mainly down to long term injuries and being unavailable.
As I've said earlier, the likely 17 on Sunday will contain 13 players who've been at Wakefield all season. Richard Owen and our Captain Danny Kirmond are both unavailable through injury but otherwise would almost certainly have been in the 17 as well!
Too much is being made of the signings Wakefield have brought in
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| Quote ="JENKY"I make that 8 players not in that squad that was in the team that met Leigh.
Probably says as much about the changes in coach and direction at Wakefield as much as anything else and the transformation the club has had to go through.
Must people will say Wakefield used a loop hole (whatever your view on it - be it wrong or right)to sign players that I suspect the RFL will no doubt ensure is closed for next season.
Wakefield was a SL team when we met in the cup and was hot favourites and having added significantly to that squad they are again hot favourites but equally Leigh are a very good entertaining RL team, all points towards another cracker!'"
As Mr Avenger told you, Wakey have FOUR players new to the club since we last played you.
You seem to want to count injured/non-selected players too.
In what way is releasing 7 players and signing 9 players before the transfer deadline using a "loophole"? Net 2 players.
Does Higham count for Leigh?
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| Quote ="dboy"As Mr Avenger told you, Wakey have FOUR players new to the club since we last played you.
You seem to want to count injured/non-selected players too.
In what way is releasing 7 players and signing 9 players before the transfer deadline using a "loophole"? Net 2 players.
Does Higham count for Leigh?'" what we are saying is its not the players superleague clubs have signed its the fact superleague teams could strengthen just before the middle 8s because of the huge difference in salary caps, championship clubs couldn't go and strengthen their squads because they could have gone over their salary cap because its hell of alot less than superleague clubs
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| Quote ="gunners guns13"what we are saying is its not the players superleague clubs have signed its the fact superleague teams could strengthen just before the middle 8s because of the huge difference in salary caps, championship clubs couldn't go and strengthen their squads because they could have gone over their salary cap because its hell of alot less than superleague clubs'"
Wake fields Chairman Michael Carter has confirmed that Wakefields salary cap spend is significantly lower now than it was at the start of the season.
It's also worth noting that Wakefield reportedly only spent around two thirds of the cap anyway so would always have had room for signings if required.
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