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| Quote ="Alan"Please can we all take time out, here. I understand where 'Starbug' is coming from, as he has put considerable time and effort into what was the Community Trust. However, I believe that the way the Club & Community Department links were set up, just wasn't working. To say we will not have a 'Community Department', in the future, is way wide of the mark. So, let's just await developments. One thing's for sure - the current administration is 100% aware that it is essential for the club to have strong links with the community and schools, in order to move forward, and they will be doing something about that.
=#0000BFOh, and by the way, the current administration does have access to 'volunteers' who are highly professionally qualified. (and I'm not talking about me here!)'"
Are these the club apprentices? i was talking to one of them the other day and they deliver posters into schools whilst doing activities! They mention our club alot too.
Maybe we can ask one of them to dress up as parky ?
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| Quote ="ste_ody"
Are these the club apprentices? i was talking to one of them the other day and they deliver posters into schools whilst doing activities! They mention our club alot too.
Maybe we can ask one of them to dress up as parky ?'"
No ste. I'm talking about members of the PSG and Board, who are devoting a lot of their time to putting things in order and moving forward. Their professional qualifications and experience are very impressive and would cost (any club) a small fortune to pay for! And, incidentally, they are all members of the local 'Community'.
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| Quote ="Alan"Please can we all take time out, here. I understand where 'Starbug' is coming from, as he has put considerable time and effort into what was the Community Trust. However, I believe that the way the Club & Community Department links were set up, just wasn't working. To say we will not have a 'Community Department', in the future, is way wide of the mark. So, let's just await developments. One thing's for sure - the current administration is 100% aware that it is essential for the club to have strong links with the community and schools, in order to move forward, and they will be doing something about that.
=#FF0000:2hfn7g92Oh, and by the way, the current administration does have access to 'volunteers' who are highly professionally qualified. (and I'm not talking about me here!)[/ they would get proffessional advice on which is the best for the club and the best direction the club should take
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| Quote ="mishmash"OK I think the most important questions regarding the Supporters Trust has to be - what did you actually do for the club and how many new fans did you bring through the gate? How many schools did you get into and how well did you do in generating interest among the junior fans?
This is surely the test of how successful the ST was, and how 'professional' you were?'"
Mish , for clarity can you change your ' S,s ' to ' C,s '
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| Quote ="Toadstool":1avzu0srI have had a look at the Leigh Communtiy Trust website to see what they are doing in the community.
I notice one of the Trustees is =#FF0000:1avzu0srSteve Pike who I think is Starbug:1avzu0sr (apologies if I am wrong).
If this is the case perhaps we should be aware of this "interest" and await the other side of the story from the club before getting involved in speculation on here.
This is not a crticism of Starbug but when an interested party is passionate about something the other side may be equally as passionate.'" is for it to do what it was set up to do , to increase awarenes in the community of Leigh Centurions , to help increase the fan base of Leigh Centurions and to where possible employ Leigh Centurions players
The current administration were invited to appoint club employee's/directors onto the Trust , they declined citing a ' conflict of interest ' , they now claim they dont have any ' control ' of the Trust , maybe if they could make up their mind what they do actually ' want ' then all this could have been avoided
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| I have noticed a ' drift ' on this thread , lets get back to the O/P , so will you all be happy having Leigh Centurions owned/run by a Supporters Trust ? , which as I pointed out , would almost certainly remove any chance of ever getting into SL
If people want to discuss the Community Trust , start up your own thread
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| Quote ="Starbug"Mish , for clarity can you change your ' S,s ' to ' C,s '
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I don't get it.
And you didn't answer my questions.
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| Quote ="mishmash"I don't get it.
And you didn't answer my questions.
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You posted ST , when you meant CT
As for what they have done , do you want me to get overall numbers of kids worked with ?, programmes delivered ?, players employed ? , awards recieved ?
Dont forget , what the apprentices will be doing is fairly similar to what the Community Dept/Trust has done for years , so unless the club changes what it has/hasn't done afterwards , then the results wont improve
Unfortunatley there is no way of actually counting how many new supporters have been brought to the club as a result of community work , unless of course you start of with the ' Census ' of the club I first suggested to the BOD several years ago , and to the PSG last november
Only by first doing that can you get a true indication of any initiatives success or failure
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| Quote ="Starbug"You posted ST , when you meant CT
As for what they have done , do you want me to get overall numbers of kids worked with ?, programmes delivered ?, players employed ? , awards recieved ?
Dont forget , what the apprentices will be doing is fairly similar to what the Community Dept/Trust has done for years , =#BF0000so unless the club changes what it has/hasn't done afterwards , then the results wont improve
Unfortunatley there is no way of actually counting how many new supporters have been brought to the club as a result of community work , unless of course you start of with the ' Census ' of the club I first suggested to the BOD several years ago , and to the PSG last november
Only by first doing that can you get a true indication of any initiatives success or failure'"
By this you mean what exactly?
Ticket offers, generally converting people into Leythers? How would you personally persuade people to support? (This is not a dig btw, maybe its something we can discuss with the club at the next meeting/fans forum)
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| Ah so I did.
Sorry to keep going on about this but one of the things I don't understand it you say you thought of building a database with DOB etc years ago, but why, as a director of the Community Trust, (something which you say is your passion), didn't you or one of the professional people involved in it, ever implement it through the CT?
Surely that should have been one of the first things they should have done?
Instead, it's has been left to a bunch of 'amateurs' to build the database up from scratch, something which they've done very well in the last couple of months I might add.
Just for the record, I'm not involved in it.
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| Quote ="ste_ody"By this you mean what exactly?
Ticket offers, generally converting people into Leythers? How would you personally persuade people to support? (This is not a dig btw, maybe its something we can discuss with the club at the next meeting/fans forum)'"
Too much to go into right now , I'v work to do , but we all agree Friday night was fantastic , that was due to 3 things
1 the visit of a world class team
2 a large number of away fans
3 a large number of home fans
Well we cant do anything about the world class opposition , but the other two things can be achieved with a little foresight and some hard work
Confucious he says , use net to catch fish , better than a hook and line
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| Quote ="mishmash"Ah so I did.
Sorry to keep going on about this but one of the things I don't understand it you say you thought of building a database with DOB etc years ago, but why, as a director of the Community Trust, (something which you say is your passion), didn't you or one of the professional people involved in it, ever implement it through the CT?
Surely that should have been one of the first things they should have done?
Instead, it's has been left to a bunch of 'amateurs' to build the database up from scratch, something which they've done very well in the last couple of months I might add.
Just for the record, I'm not involved in it.'"
It is the clubs job to know its customers , not the community depts/trusts
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| Personally I think we must keep the super league dream alive.
Friday night showed us how good this could be we cannot abandon the holy grail and I'm afraid thats what super- league is.
Who knows about future sugar daddies don't think we can rule out anything at this stage.
If I felt we ever reached the point where it was a ST or fold then I would support it.
I think starbugs views are tainted by his personal disappointments with the current regime
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| Lets get back on track, there is a thread about Community Trust, although community ownership is what a Supporters Trust should be all about - we have tremendous passion, we need to unite it and engage it behind a common goal with a clear statement of intent.
Many hands make large revenue streams.
On a related point, are LISA now a shareholder?
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| Quote ="mishmash"Ah so I did.
Sorry to keep going on about this but one of the things I don't understand it you say you thought of building a database with DOB etc years ago, but why, as a director of the Community Trust, (something which you say is your passion), didn't you or one of the professional people involved in it, ever implement it through the CT?
Surely that should have been one of the first things they should have done?
Instead, it's has been left to a bunch of 'amateurs' to build the database up from scratch, something which they've done very well in the last couple of months I might add.
=#FF0000Just for the record, I'm not involved in it.'"
Just a small point for the record , on Friday , who was it that helped out the club by running the face painting and helped with the 20 odd mascots we had on the pitch pre match , all unpaid for of course and for an organisation that made them redundant 8 months ago ? , in fact they had a couple of the apprentices assisting them as well
I suppose none of the ' proffessional ' volunteers would have wanted to upset their pre match routines to do that , now would they ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Too much to go into right now , I'v work to do , but we all agree Friday night was fantastic , that was due to 3 things
1 the visit of a world class team
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3 a large number of home fans
Well we cant do anything about the world class opposition , but the other two things can be achieved with a little foresight and some hard work
Confucious he says , use net to catch fish , better than a hook and line'"
Confucius actually wrote - "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."
Taking this to its core meaning, if we can bring up kids with an inbuilt passion for Leigh RL we will have them for life (like me and Maurice watching with our free tickets from XII Apostles when we were 9).
How we do this is moot......
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| It seems to me there are too many short term issues to fix before we start thinking about who owns/ how the club is structured etc etc. We are still in survival mode unfortunatley.
We can have a CT, ST or whatever, but if it means arguing over who owns Jimmy Ledgard's beer mat, then its pretty pointless.
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| Quote ="Toadstool"Confucius actually wrote - "Give a man a fish and he will eat for a day. Teach a man to fish and he will eat for a lifetime."
Taking this to its core meaning, if we can bring up kids with an inbuilt passion for Leigh RL we will have them for life (like me and Maurice watching with our free tickets from XII Apostles when we were 9).
=#FF0000:78iifam8How we do this is moot......[/
No , its simple
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| Quote ="Paul_Lyon"=#FF0000It seems to me there are too many short term issues to fix before we start thinking about who owns/ how the club is structured etc etc. We are still in survival mode unfortunatley.
We can have a CT, ST or whatever, but if it means arguing over who owns Jimmy Ledgard's beer mat, then its pretty pointless.'"
Short term got fixed months ago , survival depends on how you plan the future , no ' plan ' , no future
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| Quote ="Starbug"Just a small point for the record , on Friday , who was it that helped out the club by running the face painting and helped with the 20 odd mascots we had on the pitch pre match , all unpaid for of course and for an organisation that made them redundant 8 months ago ? , in fact they had a couple of the apprentices assisting them as well
I suppose none of the ' proffessional ' volunteers would have wanted to upset their pre match routines to do that , now would they ?'"
Yes it was mentioned in the meeting, and a very good job she did as well (though I'm not sure which of the 7 men in the PSG you'd expect to do the face painting).
Unless you mean me, then unfortunately for one I can't face paint and for two, my pre match routine is setting up the radio.
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| Quote ="mishmash"Yes it was mentioned in the meeting, and a very good job she did as well (though I'm not sure which of the 7 =#FF0000men in the PSG you'd expect to do the face painting).
Unless you mean me, then unfortunately for one I can't face paint and for two, my pre match routine is setting up the radio.
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Why , is face painting considered womens only work mish ?
Maybe you are nearer the crux of the matter than you think
We dont need a ' think tank ' that comes up with idea's for others to do , we need ' dooer's ' who are willing to get their hands dirty and ' do '
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| Quote ="maurice"Lets get back on track, there is a thread about Community Trust, although community ownership is what a Supporters Trust should be all about - we have tremendous passion, we need to unite it and engage it behind a common goal with a clear statement of intent.
Many hands make large revenue streams.
On a related point, are LISA now a shareholder?'"
I asked this question as since it was all resolved at our last LISA meeting we have not yet been asked to any board meeting , however there is being a code of conduct being written for all directors to adhere to including LISA so once in place we will be taking up the shareloding and the board representation.
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| Quote ="Starbug"Why , is face painting considered womens only work mish ?
Maybe you are nearer the crux of the matter than you think
We dont need a ' think tank ' that comes up with idea's for others to do , we need ' dooer's ' who are willing to get their hands dirty and ' do ''"
And you've hit the nail on the head there Steve.
Think tanks are OK in their place but we need people who will actually take their time to do things (Let's just forget about you saying you came up with the idea of getting a database together then expecting others to go out and do it shall we?).
I can't speak for other groups but at the Tues morn PSG, we have Alan who does the programmes/communication, John who does the Junior Centurions, Eric and Mike who take care of the accounts, myself and Pete who do the radio/communication and Richie and Trevor (god knows what they do).
Then there's the NSFG who are all doing a fantastic job in organising things for match day.
So who is this 'think tank' you refer to?
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| Just for the record, the PSG doesn't sit around dreaming up wild ideas for the club.
This might have been the case in the early pre-season meetings, when ideas were thrown around but it's certainly not the case now. Each member merely briefs the others on what happened during the previous week, for instance Alan will talk about programme sales, any problems he had with articles, advertising etc and each member gets their turn to talk about their area of interest.
It's more like a de-brief, where the different sections all come together to report on their progress. We do not make decisions about anything regarding the club.
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| How we do this is moot......'"
No , its simple Quote ="Starbug"
If it's simple than why hasn't it been achieved in the many years of the Community Trust and the various marketing initiatives before that?
Just because you say something doesn't make it true.......
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