The Watcher is appalled that the police force in Gtr Manchester have let this happen. The world & his dog knew it was spreading & would kick off in Salford & Manchester. Questions must be asked of the GMP as to why they were so under prepared. The scum must be thinking they can do this type of thing anytime they want.

yes of course it was all the police fault

Does the watcher think the rest of gtr manchester should have been left unguarded to stop these particular crimes?.

Or was it that the GMP Police were guarding London?

That is something that has annoyed me, but that is hardly the fault of your average bobby who is sticking their body on the line to protect the city.

They interviewed a young masked hooded lad wearing sunglasses at teatime yesterday in Manchester,when asked why he was hiding his identity he said so that he wouldn't get picked up on CCTV ,but if your a law abiding citizen that won't matter said the reporter ,but i'm not law abiding he said and that he was doing it to get back at the police and because they could do want they like and there's nothing that can be done about it .I don't have any sympathy at all for the young kids that are doing this ,they are just opportunist who don't give a damn about anybody else ,when I was growing up I had nothing but never once thought about stealing .

Same here.
Also seems its a mixed bag of criminals, kids, and even a primary school teaching assistant.




Never thought I'd think like this but desparate times call for desparate messures and I agree with this

There are loads of GMP left, there are also police from Wales, Cheshire, Merseyside, Cumbria, humberside & Lancashire in Manchester last night so i'd say no!

quite right Fred,the french have the dreaded CRS which is a paramilitary style police based riot squad - the average french citizen is s**t scared of getting involved with them as they don't mess about ! They live in barracks,usually far from their home towns and are called upon whenever there is any trouble with the french unions (policing picket lines etc) or general rioting but mostly nowadays used on the inner city estates to break up fights between gangs etc
Many gangs actually call/provoke attacks from the CRS to test their metal ! it's seen as an act of bravado to take on the 'poules' (chickens = 'pigs' in english)
I can see this style of policing being a part of uk life soon if the present trend continues...

Agreed. It's just a symptom of the London elite's attitude.

It's not just kids and youths with no employment opportunities. A primary school teaching assistant has been mentioned, and I heard of an accounts clerk, and several other employed people. That makes them the biggest scumbags of all in my eyes ....

Working in Stockport last night was odd, the same scroats you see come through the station every night were there, but oddly nervy, pumped up, scared, confident and even more cocky.

On the brighter side we stranded 3 of them who had to walk from Stockport to Alderley Edge at 1 in the morning as we were economical with the truth about train times.

I am in the Army and i will be one of the first to volunteer, if let me go and knock some heads.I am 36 and i respected my Grandparents fighting a war for our freedom.They where all poor but never looted.Send them on National Service to Afghanistan for education on respect.

Just watched the news and they interviewed some ignoramus flouting to be a mother from Salford, she was an utter disgrace and totally devoid of social skills, as was her offspring. Some of these pond life are quite simply Oxygen thieves.

The lowest forms of life on planet earth.
Its like shameless or the harry Enfied creations Wayne and Waynetta.

Come on now folks, people will be advocating Brazilian style death squads in a bit. It is the government who is allowing the inner cities and the inhabitants to get like this by not stamping out organised crime and gang culture. By turning a blind eye to drug taking and dealing. It is the people who cannot get on in life for whatever reason that are put into these areas by the councils just like what happens down Plank Lane or Higher Folds or West Leigh. All three of those have problems streets.

Try and watch the interview with this woman(BBC) and then reply why you blame the incumbent government?

The area in which an individual is born is irrelevant to the social skills and responsibilities which should be indoctrinated by good parenting.

Good parenting is the key, Barty. Unfortunately they ain't allowed to smack their kids any more. but there are still ways, like banning from their X-Box or whatever. Yes, I DO blame the parents, but I also blame the government for thinking that Britain is all right, and they can cut spending on essential services

DTM I totally agree about good parenting, when I was growing up the fear of the vocal backlash (without the use of expletives I hasten to add) from my mum set the tone.
Everyone is capable of behaving badly but the majority choose not to do so, why is this?

Regards the government ,I`m in one of those services which is being targeted but which will be needed in the coming months.

We need to get them away from council houses which should be for low paid WORKING people or people who have paid their dues and hit hard times, or have real illness. We need to stop giving council houses to young single unmarried mums too, who have never worked and have no male role model for their kids. A lot of problems stem from this. Yes I know some good kids from these backgrounds (I grew up in a single parent family from age

, but this needs seriously addressing.

We need a form modern day workhouses for these underclasses (people who are from families who have never worked a day in their life). This could be something modern, safe and clean - a bit like nurses homes rather than multi-bedroom council houses. Nothing nice and fancy but well policed - somewhere to be before getting a proper job, but something clearly less attractive than working life, so that people have incentives to work.

Take their kids off them in the daytime and give them a good proper disciplined schooling, and make the parents do something useful for themsleves and society - perhaps vocational education or volunteering. If they get jobs then give them back their council houses

Respect, what a great word, how many of today kids even know the meaning.
I respected my parents, my teachers and all elders and if I did anything like be in ten minutes last, I was scared of going home knowing I was in deep trouble and I would be grounded for a week.
Now kids dont care, when we was kids the worst we did was play knock and run. Wo be tide though if you got caught.

There are many things that influence the way our children grow up to be socially responsible or lack social awareness. Parenting is obviously one of them but I also believe that there is a current major influence through Urban Music. WoW i here you all thinking. But when you have gangsters being glorified in Urban rap music where these artists have risen out of ghettos you will get a belief that these people from these urban ghettos want this also. Watching music videos were gangsters are blinged upto the eyeballs driving blinged up rolls's and bentley's, gorgeous scantlily clad women drooling and dripping of them. They are singing about doing each others mothers in whilst 'F'ing and Jeffing all over the place. Is this acceptable behaviour for our children to take on as a moral road. NO. Gangsters these days are being held in such high esteem that when one gets gunned down there is chaos. no i should say complete and utter anarchy. I also beleive that if you are not socially responsible then you have no right to social benefits.