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| Quote ="DemonUK"Ah but they do, they now have an U23 side, but have separate organisation throiugh which they want to raise 50,000 from the fans to run it. Token gesture after several years where they have stockpiled senior players allegedly on match payments only, with no reserve team.'"
several years? really? Must have been mistaken that they last played in 2007. And its £25k, that our supporters trust are funding.
But apart from that ,the rest of your post is garbage.
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| 3 years, Coincidentally the period for SL qualification. All the money ploughed into the first team, whereas other teams have developed their own players. Now you have qulified to apply, you thought you had better show you were developing your own players. I reckon 3 years of no U21's/Reserves or whatever they have been over the last 3 years should and probably will count against you. That and the two fingers you effectively stuck up to the RFL with your 'amazing' crowd in your last home game of 2010, although that did make me laugh
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| Quote ="charlie caroli"I would NEVER support FAX in any way ,i call them the LEECH club,they Stole our then Coach Steve Simms ,along with Paul Rowley ,and Simon Baldwin ,off us,and then a few years later offered us a Derogatory amount for Mikey Higham before he signed for saints ,and gave us Peanuts for Stu Donlan , i say stay where you are Fax.'"
I`m with you charlie on this one.
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| Quote ="Dico"aha no.
As people have alluded to, this is desperate.
Fax are second in line, a distant second and unfortunately the RFL wont boot 2 out.. although they should imho.
On a slightly different note I dont see why you Chp lot are moaning its a closed shop, the next round of applications will be for a 16 team league and if fax have true aspirations then it is this period I would be aiming at.
Their competition will be imo SWS, Toulouse, Wakey, Leigh and a unified cumbria (this is imo what the rfl were hinting at with their double yer money merger proposal). 2 of that 5 will come up, one expansion and one heartland imo
..Unless of course the TV deal calls for it and we go to 2 full time divisions. Chp clubs make themselves stronger, good tv ratings and a big tv deal increase and this could be the way forward.'"
Is that right ' Nigel ' ?
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| Quote ="Starbug"Is that right ' Nigel ' ?'"
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| Quote ="TV BOY"Whitehaven and Barrow are way too far apart to merge. So thats a non starter.'"
Look what happened to Carlisle when they merged with Barrow, also Huddersfield/Sheffield and Hull/Gateshead. I think mergers are very risky in the UK. In France, NZ and Australia they seem to work.
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| They dont 'work' per se barring a couple but have been more succesful.
When you lot are harping on about the RFLs crusade of expansion, I often say to look back at Gateshull and note that an expansion team was sacrificed in order to save a heartland club
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| I agree Dico, apart from the Catalans franchise. RL is France would have died without it.
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| How has french RL changed because of catalan ?.
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| I think if the Catalans franchise hadn't been given a place in SL when it did, it would have died in France. Now that Cats have been a success, I think Toulouse and other clubs in the South of France will thrive from the added interest that Cats produce.
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| I just dont see it jonny.
Its still semi pro or amateur,i dont see any more players coming to SL or playing international RL,have the gates gone up ?.It seem to me like nothing has changed in decades.
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| Quote ="j.c"I just dont see it jonny.
Its still semi pro or amateur,i dont see any more players coming to SL or playing international RL,have the gates gone up ?.It seem to me like nothing has changed in decades.'"
I think there's definitely been a decrease in the amount of the better youth players who previously tended to gravitate towards RU where they could get a full-time opportunity.
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"I think there's definitely been a decrease in the amount of the better youth players who previously tended to gravitate towards RU where they could get a full-time opportunity.'"
I hope your right matt but Are these players coming from french clubs or are they coming through the youth systems of catalan dragons.
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| haha you go on about halifax fudging there att figures whats about widnes profit figures and i wudnt say we fudge them givin free kids tickets away widnes do it all the time look at there att last week in london if they are gettin 3000 to there home games every week iam sure there would be more that 600 at london
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| We know all about Widnes's profit figures, and I know how they did it. Giving free tickets is also fine, but do us a favour and don't count them in on the attendance UNLESS they attend....it was however a brilliant 'up yours' to the RFL
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| Quote ="j.c"I hope your right matt but Are these players coming from french clubs or are they coming through the youth systems of catalan dragons.'"
Probably a bit of both - the problem in the past was that kids were coming through the French youth sides and then hitting a glass ceiling as their only chance of playing full-time was by moving abroad (ie to England) or staying in France but switching to RU.
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| The French game probably has more awareness but surely taking the best two clubs away hasnt done fantastically for the local leagues.
Imagine taking Rangers and Celtic from the Scottish prem and seeing whats left behind
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| Quote ="Dico"The French game probably has more awareness but surely taking the best two clubs away hasnt done fantastically for the local leagues.
Imagine taking Rangers and Celtic from the Scottish prem and seeing whats left behind'"
Completely agree. I believe the original long-term intention when UTC first joined Super League was to eventually return to a strengthened French league, but I can't see that happening any time soon.
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"Probably a bit of both - the problem in the past was that kids were coming through the French youth sides and then hitting a glass ceiling as their only chance of playing full-time was by moving abroad (ie to England) or staying in France but switching to RU.'"
I still cant see how domestic french RL has improved or been save by the inclusion of catalan in SL.
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| Quote ="j.c"I still cant see how domestic french RL has improved or been save by the inclusion of catalan in SL.'"
I guess it would help to improve their youth system and professional pathway and theoretically those who don't make the grade at Catalans can then return to the French league and help to bring up the standard of players.
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"I guess it would help to improve their youth system and professional pathway and theoretically those who don't make the grade at Catalans can then return to the French league and help to bring up the standard of players.'"
Do catalan have a reserve team in the french league ?.
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| Quote ="j.c"Do catalan have a reserve team in the french league ?.'"
Yes they do, they play as UTC and at the same ground as the Catalans first team. Not sure how they're doing though.
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"Yes they do, they play as UTC and at the same ground as the Catalans first team. Not sure how they're doing though.'"
They now play as St Esteve/XIII Catalan.
Here's the current French Elite 1 standings:
Pos Clubs Pts J G N P p c diff
1 Lézignan 40 14 13 0 1 590 251 339
2 Limoux 36 14 11 0 3 469 315 154
3 Pia 34 14 10 0 4 553 366 187
4 Avignon 31 14 8 1 5 453 425 28
5 Villeneuve 28 14 7 0 7 324 372 - 48
6 Carcassonne 28 14 7 0 7 384 318 66
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| Quote ="Leyther_Matt"Yes they do, they play as UTC and at the same ground as the Catalans first team. Not sure how they're doing though.'"
That could help as long as the right investment goes into it.
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| Quote ="rob_a"They now play as St Esteve/XIII Catalan.
Here's the current French Elite 1 standings:
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1 Lézignan 40 14 13 0 1 590 251 339
2 Limoux 36 14 11 0 3 469 315 154
3 Pia 34 14 10 0 4 553 366 187
4 Avignon 31 14 8 1 5 453 425 28
5 Villeneuve 28 14 7 0 7 324 372 - 48
6 Carcassonne 28 14 7 0 7 384 318 66
7 Carpentras 26 14 5 2 7 352 439 - 87
8 St Estève 23 14 4 1 9 394 409 - 15
9 St Gaudens 18 14 2 0 12 231 572 - 341
10 Montpellier 16 14 1 0 13 264 547 - 283'"
Nice one, thanks Rob. Hadn't realised they'd gone back to the immediate post-merger name (if that makes sense).
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